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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
Second, a Skaven that spoke Khazalid. He promised to serve you, and though you don't trust his word you trust your ability to intimidate, and through the shared language you might be able to piece together Queekish - as well as question him for any other knowledge he might have.
[ ] SKAVEN: Send him to the Grey College for questioning. (+College favour)
[ ] SKAVEN: Hand him over to the Dwarves for questioning. (+Dwarf favour)
[ ] SKAVEN: Claim him.
[ ] SKAVEN: Cede him.
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This I think we should claim. Unless... @BoneyM what are the chances the grey college will be able to learn Queekish from him and teach us later? I'd rather not spend the actions unless it's the only way to learn the language.
BoneyM said:
Your third live capture, a litter of wolf-rat pups. They're inquisitive and playful, and happily eat just about anything. Johann seems quite taken with them. Looking through your eyes, Wolf seems very confused.
[ ] PUPS: Sell them to the Imperial Zoo. (+wealth)
[ ] PUPS: Send them to the Amber College. (+College favour)
[ ] PUPS: Claim them.
[ ] PUPS: Cede them.
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I'm leaning towards ceding this. Johann clearly wants them and it gives us a chance to grab other stuff.
BoneyM said:
Your fourth subject, also disturbingly living, a sample of some sort of ooze that was either growing in or being used as a Moulder surgeon's waste bin. It clings to anything that prods it, and if it's biological and doesn't put up a fight, it digests it.
[ ] OOZE: Destroy it.
[ ] OOZE: Sell it to the Imperial Zoo. (+wealth)
[ ] OOZE: Send it to any College that will take it. (+College favour?)
[ ] OOZE: Claim it.
[ ] OOZE: Cede it.
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Ehhh. I don't really think we have any need for it? It might be worth ceding it to Johann or sending it somewhere else. I admit I'm curious about exposing it to Snekjuice but that's probably not the best reason to claim it.
BoneyM said:
The fifth is simple: a Rune-axe that causes Kragg to double take, stare at it intently, and then grab it and beeline towards his workshop, muttering thoughtfully. The only real question is who gets the credit from the Dwarves for whatever the discovery ends up being.
[ ] AXE: Split it.
[ ] AXE: Claim it.
[ ] AXE: Cede it.
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We have a lot of favor. Ceding this loses us nothing and lets us claim a bunch of other stuff we might want from the list without alienating Johann.
BoneyM said:
The sixth is a strange one - a book on the anatomy of Chaos Dwarves. The Queekish is untranslated, but the many extremely detailed diagrams speak for themselves. Little is known about the Chaos Dwarves, but they are unquestionably enemies of both the Empire and the Karaz Ankor.
[ ] BOOK: Sell it to the Imperial Army. (+wealth)
[ ] BOOK: Send it to the Colleges. (+College favour)
[ ] BOOK: Hand it over to the Dwarves. (Dwarf favour)
[ ] BOOK: Claim it.
[ ] BOOK: Cede it.
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I'm tempted to claim it especially if we learn Queekish. Learning Skaven biological methodology, dwarf physiology and further observations of chaos mutations seem like a good piece of knowledge to have.
BoneyM said:
And finally, a chest of Lustrian gold. Exact valuation will require assaying, but you estimate about two thousand coins and Johann placed them at about 75% purity.
[ ] GOLD: Split it.
[ ] GOLD: Claim it.
[ ] GOLD: Cede it.
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Split it or claim it IMO. We do have a lot of use of money. Those books and towers don't come cheap. I also don't want people to complain about not having money the next time we have a chance to buy books.
 
adaer said:
It sure is lucky that Belegar has a close friend and confidant who he's certain already knows about the Chaos Dwarves that's planning on learning Queekish. Involving us in deciphering the book doesn't spread their shame to anyone who didn't already know, and Belegar seems to have the right mix of radicalism and almost total trust in Mathilde to consider it. Of course the real question would be whether we tell the College about it. I somewhat doubt that even Belegar would accept us turning in a paper on the physiology of that one race of definitely-not-dwarves from the east, and taking an oath not to speak of anything we learn to anyone we're not about to lead into battle with some of their evil cousins would probably be one of the terms of our involvement.
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Yes. But keep in mind the dwarfs are likely to consider the book shameful knowledge as well, so if we want to be SURE, claim it, translate it, THEN give them the translated copy.

We know how reward/loot votes work by now. No takebacksies.
 
Luminous said:
Hey, we can't treat Igor like that! We told him we'd kill him if he betrayed us!

I mean with Skaven... never mind.
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I mean, we do have a specific way to ensure obedience in the skaven. Put a kill spell (Throttling or Mockery of Death) within a matrix held within his body. If he betrays us, he definitely won't be able to kill us instantly, and if we don't kill him instantly for the betrayal (which is very slim chances of happening) the matrix runs out and the kill spell kills him.
veekie said:
You have it the wrong way round. If we want to do that we claim the book, translate it then give the dwarves AND the College the translated contents.
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Ahh, your right. Then we should probably cede the axe in order to make the cede/claim to be equal. Understanding the language of the Skeaven and having a translated diagram book of the Chaos Dwarves should more than make up for the lost Dwarf Rep.
 
adaer said:
It sure is lucky that Belegar has a close friend and confidant who he's certain already knows about the Chaos Dwarves that's planning on learning Queekish. Involving us in deciphering the book doesn't spread their shame to anyone who didn't already know, and Belegar seems to have the right mix of radicalism and almost total trust in Mathilde to consider it. Of course the real question would be whether we tell the College about it. I somewhat doubt that even Belegar would accept us turning in a paper on the physiology of that one race of definitely-not-dwarves from the east, and taking an oath not to speak of anything we learn to anyone we're not about to lead into battle with some of their evil cousins would probably be one of the terms of our involvement.
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While the Dwarves absolutely do not wish to discuss the topic of their chaotic kinfolk, they recognize that once the Chaos Dwarves started selling daemon-cannons to chaos hordes, it stopped being at all reasonable to demand that humans pretend they didn't exist.

NSMS said:
More seriously, @BoneyM, what does Mathilde expect the Dwarven reaction to her deciding to keep a Skaven would be? And on a similar note, how does she expect they'd react to learning she had a book on Chaos Dwarf stuff but didn't hand it over?
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The Skaven, they understand prisoners and interrogation. The book, it's a Skaven book. Their pride won't let them make a fuss over not getting it.

Quest said:
This I think we should claim. Unless... @BoneyM what are the chances the grey college will be able to learn Queekish from him and teach us later? I'd rather not spend the actions unless it's the only way to learn the language.
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The counterpart to 'try it and find out' is 'discuss it with the thread'. Mathilde doesn't know enough factors to meaningfully gauge their likelihood of success.
 
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Quest said:
This I think we should claim. Unless... @BoneyM what are the chances the grey college will be able to learn Queekish from him and teach us later? I'd rather not spend the actions unless it's the only way to learn the language.
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That guy only speaks Khazalid, a semi-secret language, so we're probably are positioned the best to actually learn Queekish.
 
BoneyM said:
While the Dwarves absolutely do not wish to discuss the topic of their chaotic kinfolk, they recognize that once the Chaos Dwarves started selling daemon-cannons to chaos hordes, it stopped being at all reasonable to demand that humans pretend they didn't exist.
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"Chaos Dwarves, what rubbish are you spouting manling?!"
"The ones behind the cannons, shooting at us!!"
 
Also, did anybody else find Kragg's reaction to the axe interesting? Maybe it's just me, but I got the impression that seeing it has given him ideas.
 
[ ] Plan Imperial Intelligence and Skaven Research
- [ ] ELF: Send him to the Grey College for questioning.
- [ ] SKAVEN: Claim him.
- [ ] PUPS: Cede them.
- [ ] OOZE: Send it to any College that will take it.
- [ ] AXE: Split it.
- [ ] BOOK: Claim it.
- [ ] GOLD: Cede it.

Let's get the Skaven to teach us its language and write a Reikspiel-Khazalid-Queekish Dictionary.
 
So funny thing I'd like to point out. Everybody seems all concerned about how the Queekish could help with spying on Skaven and stuff, but there's an even better use for that, one Mathilde is uniquely suited to take advantage of. With knowledge of Queekish, Doppleganger, and our Coin, we could legitimately not only spy on the Skaven, but also infiltrate and manipulate them to an extreme extent, especially if we work on kidnapping and interrogating more to learn deeper aspects of the culture. Skaven spy network, anyone?
 
Ericwinter said:
So funny thing I'd like to point out. Everybody seems all concerned about how the Queekish could help with spying on Skaven and stuff, but there's an even better use for that, one Mathilde is uniquely suited to take advantage of. With knowledge of Queekish, Doppleganger, and our Coin, we could legitimately not only spy on the Skaven, but also infiltrate and manipulate them to an extreme extent, especially if we work on kidnapping and interrogating more to learn deeper aspects of the culture. Skaven spy network, anyone?
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Learning the written version of Queekish, we can probably do that. Learning the spoken version? Impossible. Skaven communication is done through whiskers, musk glands and sensitive noses and high pitched squeaks in frequencies humans can't hear.
 
Codex said:
Learning the written version of Queekish, we can probably do that. Learning the spoken version? Impossible. Skaven communication is done through whiskers, musk glands and sensitive noses and high pitched squeaks in frequencies humans can't hear.
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We're a really, really paranoid Eshin who only ever communicates through written messages. Or something like that, I don't really know. It was just a thought, unless there's some sort of Ulgu spell that could let us replicate those effects as well. Or the Coin covers that part. It's a possibility at least.
 
HanEmpire said:
[ ] Plan Imperial Intelligence and Skaven Research
- [ ] ELF: Send him to the Grey College for questioning.
- [ ] SKAVEN: Claim him.
- [ ] PUPS: Cede them.
- [ ] OOZE: Send it to any College that will take it.
- [ ] AXE: Split it.
- [ ] BOOK: Claim it.
- [ ] GOLD: Cede it.

Let's get the Skaven to teach us its language and write a Reikspiel-Khazalid-Queekish Dictionary.
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This looks good to me, unless there's a strong argument for sending the elf to the elves.
 
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