Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Wings of heaven might be nice on a new robe, in case flying ship or gyrocopter adventures have gravity problems. Also just for general mobility and impressiveness it's hard to pass up flying robes.
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In theory yes, but Boney's mentioned how Smoke and Mirrors is a safer in most scenarios, and how being one dispel away from falling from a great height is not a good idea:
My initial thought is that Smoke and Mirrors is a safer method of getting from A to B in most scenarios. Getting further off the ground than Skywalk allows puts Mathilde's life in the hands of a single enchantment.I found a spell that's...pretty good, to the point it's surprising we don't have it given how useful it is and how cheap it is.
Getting boots with Wings of Heaven has a tiny cost of 3 favour; we plan to spend 4 on books this turn. This is multi-minute true flight at the speed of a wolf's run. Compare that to Skywalk, which lasts for less than a minute, operates at walking speed, and has a height limit of 6 yards. Wings of Heaven is a bewildering mix of fantastic utility and highly affordable cost.
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There's also the Phoenix Crown that we can study.
It might have enchantments or be a divine artifact who's godly signature we can steal.
Could even be tied into our current job as both elf sides would not want the other to get it.
Sure, but if you view it not as a frequent flier but as an emergency backup or occasional mobility tool the risk isn't a big deal. Some relevant scenarios:
1. We've been knocked off the deck of a flying ship
2. Someone shot our gyro copter and it's in a fatal tailspin.
3. We would like to fly about 3 feet off the ground to get over a bunch of mud and bushes and such.
4. We would like to fly about 1 foot off the ground because it's faster than our running pace.
5. We think it's extremely important to jump from our flying ship for a dangerous rescue.
6. We want to reach the top shelf without using a step ladder.
7. The risk of falling is much lower than the risk of standing within devouring range of an abomination.
1. We've been knocked off the deck of a flying ship
2. Someone shot our gyro copter and it's in a fatal tailspin.
3. We would like to fly about 3 feet off the ground to get over a bunch of mud and bushes and such.
4. We would like to fly about 1 foot off the ground because it's faster than our running pace.
5. We think it's extremely important to jump from our flying ship for a dangerous rescue.
6. We want to reach the top shelf without using a step ladder.
7. The risk of falling is much lower than the risk of standing within devouring range of an abomination.
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Sir_Travelsalot
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I'm not strictly against a Wings of Heaven enchantment as a pseudo-parachute, but aren't points 3 and 4 already covered by Shadowsteed?
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I'm in the process of writing up my compilation for the Windherding options for robes, but in doing so, I've repeatedly had to refer to a specific issue and it's occurred to me that I really should have checked this before with the thread.
Partisans of We-silk robes instead of the Armor of von Tarnus: You guys, uh, realize that mundane armor doesn't stack with Aethyric Armour, right? The reason why to have the We-silk robes instead of regular-ass robes is like 75% "style points" and 25% "maybe having a more protective base will make the enchantment anchor better and be able to be active more." But we haven't increased our Magic score and the fact that it'll be extra-tough spider silk doesn't matter, so these robes will actually not protect Mathilde better through anything except any extra enchantment we Windherd onto them: neither the Aethyric Armour nor the fabric are an improvement. This is why the Armor of von Tarnus is so impressive, because von Tarnus looked at that restriction on AA and laughed.
Like, all this time I've been assuming that everyone knew this and so the We-silk robe partisans were very consciously making that tradeoff for the sake of style points. But I feel like I should actually check and be sure that people who rejected the Armor of von Tarnus option in favor of We-silk robes understand that We-silk robes are not actually going to be a significant upgrade over what we have now, so that there aren't cries of dismay after we make our new robes and people saying "I wish I'd known!"
Partisans of We-silk robes instead of the Armor of von Tarnus: You guys, uh, realize that mundane armor doesn't stack with Aethyric Armour, right? The reason why to have the We-silk robes instead of regular-ass robes is like 75% "style points" and 25% "maybe having a more protective base will make the enchantment anchor better and be able to be active more." But we haven't increased our Magic score and the fact that it'll be extra-tough spider silk doesn't matter, so these robes will actually not protect Mathilde better through anything except any extra enchantment we Windherd onto them: neither the Aethyric Armour nor the fabric are an improvement. This is why the Armor of von Tarnus is so impressive, because von Tarnus looked at that restriction on AA and laughed.
Like, all this time I've been assuming that everyone knew this and so the We-silk robe partisans were very consciously making that tradeoff for the sake of style points. But I feel like I should actually check and be sure that people who rejected the Armor of von Tarnus option in favor of We-silk robes understand that We-silk robes are not actually going to be a significant upgrade over what we have now, so that there aren't cries of dismay after we make our new robes and people saying "I wish I'd known!"
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I mostly want it for the swag points, but I don't think this is true? We don't wear mundane armour because it causes wizards to miscast, not because it doesn't stack, to my knowledge?
You could enchant ithilmar with AA and it'd work as expected, I think?
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My own impression is that new Robes are potentially a significant improvement over what we have now because there are much better enchantments to defend us available than our current robes have, at least in theory. But yes, them being We-Silk is likely pure style points.
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No, ithilmar is incompatible too.
AoVT is special. Probably there are some elven enchanted armors that have the same property, but not regular ithilmar.
There aren't, though. Our robes have Magic 9 Aethyric Armour. If we enchant new robes, they will have Magic 9 Aethyric Armour. There is no super awesome defensive enchantment that has become available to us between then and now -- it's just "we could see an incremental improvement by Windherding something instead of incorporating our Mastery like our current robes do".
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Oh, snap. Fair enough.
...I never really thought we'd have an opportunity to get ithilmar, but that does make Von Tarnus's masterpiece feel a bit more special. I was voting for both of the frontrunners, but now the armour feels cooler.
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
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I was mostly thinking in the context of getting someone else to enchant them, but fair enough on Mathilde doing it herself.
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Can we not include our mastery if we windherd the enchantment? Cause if that's the case I don't even know if I'd want to windherd new robes.
Enchanting an item isn't guarenteed or risk free, botching the roll could destroy the hat or it could end up like the spider horn
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We can try, but it makes it significantly harder.
So I wouldn't want to try. It's not like we've gotten any onscreen mileage out of the Mastery in our current robes, after all -- maybe Windherding would be better, and it would at least be a way to develop our enchanting?
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Welp, if we can't Windherd with our Mastery then my interest in it drops. Unless we think We-silk would be really good at holding a Ghur enchantment or something so we get increased endurance that way.
Welp, if we can't Windherd with our Mastery then my interest in it drops. Unless we think We-silk would be really good at holding a Ghur enchantment or something so we get increased endurance that way.
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
I'd say there's also a sentimental element here. We-silk robes are an idea that's been on the backburner for several years at this point. Even as someone who hasn't been in the thread for nearly that long, it feels deeply wrong to toss them aside for something else, even if that something is arguably better than the robes, when we can fulfil that long-held ambition, the product of Mathilde's own efforts and achievements, and get something else that's really cool (a magical airship) into the bargain.
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To be honest, even if we got the Armour I'd still want to enchant some fancy new silk robes with AA. Mathilde can't walk around in her everyday life in a full suit of armour.
A full suit of armour also takes quite some getting into and out of, is my understanding. Being able to respond on the spot to attacks or time-sensitive emergencies where Mathilde doesn't have access to the Armour would be a real concern.
So we'd have a fancy set of new silk robes for most things, and then the Armour for when we think we might be getting into a fight.
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The proposed Web-Mat ship action is specifically getting involved in the creation of the ship, so receiving it is actually a deadline and not a starting point.
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It doesn't really work as an extra mobility tool for Mathilde because she can already teleport, summon a horse, ignore most land-based terrain obstacles, and walk on air, which really should cover the broad spectrum of things.
Wiadi
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I mean, there is probably an argument for layering the defensive properties of We silk (which are inferior to AA but not nonexistent, esp. depending on which varieties were cracked & how usable they proved) with a defensive enchantment (or pair thereof, if windherded) which might itself also be independently inferior to AA in raw protection but stacks better with the robes' natural properties to achieve a greater net defensive benefit. Would have to look through the spellbook to gauge practicality but the principle remains sound even if AA is the undisputed strongest single defensive spell we have access to.