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Will their date advance to the point where Mathilde and Panoramia *gasp* hold hands? *swoooooon*At first, reading this, I thought I ended up on Questionable Questing somehow
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Woah, hold up, I know we decided to go ahead with romance, but I'm not ready for that kind of commitment!
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I don't think there's a phrasing issue but I do think there's some uncertainty as to what the options actually are.
I'd like to go over some of the things that I think Windherder might allow but I'm not sure about.
I know we can make items that have two enchantments from different winds bound into them, but what about:
1) Enchanting an item with a combined effect that neither wind could achieve alone - for instance Shadow Daggers that explode into flame after hitting
2) Using magical light for Burning Shadows.
3) Inventing spells that require two co-operating mages of different winds to know their part
4) Inventing spells that require an Ulgu mage to know their part, and a mage of a different wind to do a very simple provision of energy that requires no special training.
It's not your confusion that's the problem; it's that I don't think anyone has a great idea for what options it can provide. If we don't really understand how to use it, we can't be gripped. Like, take the next turn. A lot of people want to have Mathilde do some enchantment by enchanting her robes. Is this something that Windherder can make better?
[ ] Enchant an item: Work with Max to enchant your Robes with a combination of Mathilde's mastered version of Aerthyic Armor (Indefatigable) and Gold Magic based on Law of Form that causes the robes to become even more resistant to damage upon receiving an impact.
Would that... do anything useful? When it comes to Windherder and enchantment, do we have to name a specific spell from the other college, or is it enough to specify and effect that should be generally in the wheelhouse of the Wind?
I feel like if we're making enchanted robes, Gold magic could make them even tougher than normal by doing a "turn briefly to steel when hit" thing, but maybe that's a step too far if we're also combining it with trying to impart a mastery? Or is it that it's two difficult things, but they don't make each other more difficult?
I will also raise my hand as someone who would like example actions.
I do think your looking at their question wrong if you take it as a fault on your side.
the fault is on our side, people aren't sure what a 'windhurder' action looks like, what is its limits, what are the prerequisites etc etc.
1) For that example specifically yes, but 'combined effect that neither wind could achieve alone' is broad enough to include literally anything.
2) Yes.
3) Yes.
4) Possibly, depends on the desired effect.
Trying to make Aethyric Armour more armour-y is a flat no. Allowing it to scale based on magical power is already hugely generous and borderline broken. Also, Max doesn't know enchanting.
[ ] Enchant a wand of Shadow Daggers that explode into flame after hitting (5 CF for Bright College enchanter)
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Enchanted items that do not just contain multiple effects, but can combine them into one multi-wind effect are an example of a thing I didn't know it could do.
I thought it was just, like, a Skyrim-style 'you can put a normal enchantment on this weapon, but twice' perk.
well.. that changes a lot....
did not have a clue that was an option.
muti-wind robes are back on the table!
don't care about mastery, want flying robes.
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We can teleport, though.
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It's come up before, and it was pointed out that this is not especially a safe thing to do.
I found a spell that's...pretty good, to the point it's surprising we don't have it given how useful it is and how cheap it is.
Getting boots with Wings of Heaven has a tiny cost of 3 favour; we plan to spend 4 on books this turn. This is multi-minute true flight at the speed of a wolf's run. Compare that to Skywalk, which lasts for less than a minute, operates at walking speed, and has a height limit of 6 yards. Wings of Heaven is a bewildering mix of fantastic utility and highly affordable cost.
Mastery robes are definitely going to be better for the inside of Karag Dum, where we can neither fly nor use Shadowsteed.
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Flying Robes are more Xianxia, though. Or maybe that's Flying Swords.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
If we want any form of flying, we'd have better luck seeing if Alkharad's mist form was a spell thing or a vampire thing anyways. Maybe it's just a vampire thing and we can write another paper on it, but maybe it's a spell thing and then it's ours.
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If I remember from previous arguments, the problem with a mistform spell is that you have to test turning into mist with no guarantee you're gonna be able to turn back.
Valid, yes. But Mathilde's enchantment classes have spent entire days on why it's not a good idea to be one dispel away from a gruesome death.
hmmm.
[ ] Enchant a Robe with Shadow: Aethyric Armour and Gold: Guard of Steel (5 CF for Gold College enchanter)
because im not interested in a mastery robe that boneyM has pointed out is not ask good as your making it.
Compared to rewriting the college books on wants possible.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
That's what we have chickens for.
Mist chickens.
We're not making these robes as an academic piece. We can rewrite the books just fine with a wand of elemental annihilation or whatever, but the robes are for long-term buffs that we'll want to have on constantly, and Tirelessness is the best of the constant buffs we know of, unless you'd care to suggest another.
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From the bit where we wrote the paper on it, it appears to have been a form of telepresence allowing for remote interaction, instead of "your normal body turns into mist and allows for travel from point A to point B":
I know how good it is and I'll thank you not to pretend I haven't been following all the arguments closely. You quoted him talking about "you still need to sleep" and "Shadowsteed is the main factor causing scouting effectiveness," which was completely irrelevant to what I actually said.
If we're running around on our own two feet, the ability to not get physically tired is important.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I mean, that's still a mist thing I'd want to investigate to determine spell-or-vampireness about.
No good.
There's also the fact, of course, that Aethyric Armor is a spell common among all the colleges, so there's really no point in Mathilde trying to do windherding to mix it in with another college's magic.
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Not disagreeing here with the fact that Aethyric armour shouldn't be more armoury, because it shouldn't. But I kind of disagree with this sentence in particular. Considering how WHF lore scales, I do not think its broken, its the only way for powerful wizards to stay alive. Without this feature, Malekith, Teclis, Slann archcasters etc. would be vulnerable to basic shankings or attacks of opportunity and would be long dead.
Moreover, making magicians that squishy actually imbalances the setting hugely in favour of Khorne, who would basically rule the setting because no wizard would survive long enough without an accident finding him. Maybe the orcs, Dawi and Skaven factions could mount a resistance, seeing as they orcs rely on facepunchiness more than shamans and the Dawi and Skaven rely on tech trees mostly, but the magical factions would face huge attrition of their stronger members.
Moreover, it doesn't actually destroy the meaning of a wizard. Yes, low level wizards are meant to be squishy, but low level facepunchers are meant to be unable to use magic. But in WHF, most high level facepunchers get artifacts and miracles. Yes, the artifacts in WHFRP are "extremely rare", but so it a wizard who has scaled his magic stat enough to solve his armour problem sufficiently enough to be competitive, Artifacts seem a lot more common in WHFTT, and that is ptrobably because higher power levels are involved. In all honesty, looking at people like Teclis, or Malekith, or Gotri, the claim that WHF is not like DND because magic items and artifacts are super rare is not quite ccorrect, its just that you aren't allowed to play one of the guys powerful enough to hold them/lucky enough to find an artifact powerful enough that it doesn't matter, because the system refuses to powerscale that high even when the lore allows it. But by the time a wizard's magic armour reaches the point where it outpaces a fighter, the fighter of equivalent achievement would likely still be more sturdy by being divinely blessed or finding double forged gromril or something, because at that point you are allready at a level higher than the WHFRP allows (if you can go toe to toe with Damsels, you aren't in low fantasyy land anymore). So the balance remains.
What I want to say with this short essay is that I think that making magic armour non scalable actually breaks the balance at higher levels (which WHFRP does not cover) by hardcapping wizard defense and has no real impact on lower levels.
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