Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Here you go, as for what we know about the time scales so far.
A waystone has effects in Troll Country in the ballpark of turning 5000 acres into grazeland in one year.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
The bridge of death does seem like the "we put up waystones and get in fights" option. Other options might draw in a more forward-looking kind of monster to clash against but this message seems to play into sallying out against the horrors.
That said, I do wish I could put what exactly appeals to me about my chosen Karlsbridge option in a concise little story like that. It feels like the big thing holding it back.
[x] Bridge of Death and New Town
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- Who knows?
There isn't a Warhammer equivalent of 24/7 social media or news cycle. Like even the quickest travelling messanger is gonna be months after everything and likely to tell stories among the lines of "after a months long hard faught campaign, the brave denizen of Praag are finally purging corruption in their streets!!!" Instead of a real time accounting for every death and loss on a daily basis.
I think viewing this as "make X in Praag" happy is too narrow. It's a question of what outsiders looking in will take away, and I think it's a question of if they see a hard fought, but worthwhile crusade that let's the dribbles know what's it like being kicked out or "make existing living space better"
What no? Happier peasants is definitely not more politically reasonant than "successful military campaign against chaos stronghold." Shit even in this more modern age census stats about like birthrates are waaaayyy less likely to get attention than obvious military action.
I'd say Karlsbridge vs Deathbridge is a question of defense/preservation of what you already have versus offense/active opposition against Chaos.
I see the appeal of acknowledging the status quo and going 'this is the livable area of Praag, lets make it better' but I'm fonder of the concept of going "we've had enough, we want to put this Chaos shit on a timer."
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Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
It's kind of a shame we didn't start with four vote options, then I could do a lot of increasingly tenuous theory crafting over which option deliberately pokes which Chaos god in the eye the hardest. Alas, I'm not really seeing a Slaanesh specific one as it is, just thumbing our nose at Tzeentch twice in very different ways.
[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
It would be nice if we could stick around and help out with the first wave of attacks on the stone. Minimizing the amount of deaths that happen before the stone has visible effects ought to make the soldiers a lot happier about it.
It would be nice if we could stick around and help out with the first wave of attacks on the stone. Minimizing the amount of deaths that happen before the stone has visible effects ought to make the soldiers a lot happier about it.
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- Chicago
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- She/They
I'm assuming that the results will be slow enough that we'll have the other waystones up before they become apparent, which means we'll need to deal with the negative press from the first while doing the second.
Once multiple waystones are erected we won't really be able to distinguish the effects of doing one first vs the other, so I see good or bad press as the only long-term difference between the two.
I mean, I can see why you'd think so, but please acknowledge that you are contradicting the text we've been given in favor of head canon.
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[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
I'm here to stone Chaos.
I'm here to stone Chaos.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
So this led to a mostly futile effort to figure out the surface area of Praag. I initially went by asking how large the American average house is, then assuming that each tiny dot on the official map was one of those and trying to figure out the radius. This came up with a surface area of roughly 1 Mile squared, which I rounded up to 2 square miles. Then I looked up how big real Prague was and the internet said it was almost two hundred square miles, which is pretty neat.
I figure we can just ballpark it as 5000 acres - Praag being Praag = a waystone having roughly the same effect across both.
So with ten waystones we'd be subtracting 10 troll countries from Praag a year.
I think artisanal is a better word than expensive. Our waystone is actually pretty cheap, assuming Boney counted in archmage labor-time in the costs. Though I'd prefer to make copy of the waystone without the riverine component before deploying to Troll Country. But it's not strictly speaking necessary. It'll just hopefully make mass deployment easier, if we don't roll horribly.
If we choose option 2, the first waystone would be placed in Old Town. That's where the Bridge of Death is. It's just that the waystones after it will be placed in the New Town. Nerdasaurus Rex made a map showing the location, it's the red star and line. I get what you're saying though.
It's also not, strictly, about nobility. For example, Marienburg's directorate should also count as having a wizard advisor.
If the questers are doing that, then so is Mathilde. She thinks that focusing on the New Town first would be best for Praag. I'm confident she had the population in mind when she made that guess. But the vote is more about the message we want to send to the world. I want to send the message that the Project can cleanse the most tainted landscapes in the whole Old World.
The first waystone is being placed near the Bridge of Death, which is in Old Town. It's the waystones that follow that will cause the cults to start rising up.
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- Oregon
I'm not talking about torches and pitchforks and a horde tearing them down, I'm talking about a mourning father whose kid just died in the increased chaos attacks getting drunk as hell and going at it with a hammer in a fit of blind rage.
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- Who knows?
I interpreted "most politically resonant" as being so for a local, Praag level scale. Which fair, as a local yes I'd want focus on the places I currently physically inhabit versus purging Hell Zone two blocks down that only criminals go to. I assume this applies for most residents of Praag.
But I really don't see how "badass military campaign to retake shit stolen by Chaos decades ago," is less attention grabbing to outsiders than "people in most cursed city say it's less cursed now! Fewer nightmares in the small safe zone and we're on track for fewest mutants this decade since before the Everchosen came around."
If that happens then the guards, the guys who were posted there to prevent actual Chaos sorcerers from doing far more dangerous things that hitting it with a hammer, sigh in relief at how mundane and safe that is compared to what they were told to expect, and maybe they don't even kill the man.
If you think the very expensive anti-Chaos doohickey that the man who controls all military forces in the city paid for essentially out of pocket is going to be left unsupervised, then I do not know what to tell you.
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Fits of blind rage (by someone who is also impaired no less) are even worse at dealing actual damage than a lone cultist with a plan and if a lone cultist with a plan and a hammer is any threat to that stone we might as well give up on the whole thing.
- Location
- Who knows?
If physical safety of the stone is a concern, then it seems like text suggests Deathbridge is actually safest?
The above implies other locations would be more susceptible to active sabotage.
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- Chicago
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- She/They
I don't think that what is best for Praag is what most of the questors are arguing, I thought they wanted what is worst for chaos. Not really the same thing.
What is best for the population is pretty clear.
Badass military campaigns to retake shit stolen by chaos happen all the time. Heck, Pan came to us out of a campaign of that sort against Mordheim. We made our bones doing one in Sylvania.
The actually novel part is the less cursed bit. It's also the part that the waystones do. The military campaigns aren't really related to waystones except as a thing that can happen after, for similar results to placing it where no campaign was needed.
Cursed city becomes less cursed.
Its possible, I suppose, that most foreigners hearing about the purging of Praag will get hours of stories of military deeds and exploits but never actually get told about the waystones.
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Also, with the other two locations planned for this turn (Drakenhof and Dark Water), going three for three on 'drains the nastiest spot of corruption in the area' just makes sense.
The novel part is being able to keep the cursed ground once you kill the gribbles yes, gurgle killing still makes for a better story for nobles to send in letters to other nobles or hear from bards used to entertaining noble hosts. 'Inhabitants of most cursed city on Malus almost sure they are having less nightmares' isn't going to travel very far.
xamaplak
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- the Soup Store
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- He/Him
...Karlsbridge, huh? Praag really is partially based on Prague, huh. I have to wonder if there's a WHF equivalent to the Velvary story.
Anyway
If this were the Empire, Karlsbridge for sure. BUT it's Kislev. I'm still tempted by it, because protecting the people is unambiguously good and the best choice morally.
Screw it. Ranald all the way.
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
(During the construction of the real Charles's Bridge, all the surrounding villages were commanded to send eggs to use in the mortar. The village of Velvary famously worried that the eggs would break during the trip, so they. Hard-boiled them.
To this day the village of Velvary denies this, despite chemical analysis of the original mortar proving that eggs were actually used, invalidating their main argument. The smart thing to do would be to lean into it and turn the village into an egg themed tourist trap.)
To this day the village of Velvary denies this, despite chemical analysis of the original mortar proving that eggs were actually used, invalidating their main argument. The smart thing to do would be to lean into it and turn the village into an egg themed tourist trap.)
Anyway
If this were the Empire, Karlsbridge for sure. BUT it's Kislev. I'm still tempted by it, because protecting the people is unambiguously good and the best choice morally.
Screw it. Ranald all the way.
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
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The drunk father would probably blame the army that attacked New Town unprovoked before he blames an odd looking monument.
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- France
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
[x] Karlsbridge and Old Town
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