The problem with three is that the Waystone design is not optimized for it, this is not the mass deployment to get grazing land model, that is why we did not take the edge of Troll Country in the turn vote.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The problem with three is that the Waystone design is not optimized for it, this is not the mass deployment to get grazing land model, that is why we did not take the edge of Troll Country in the turn vote.
There are better arguments than catastrophizing about option 2.
As I already explained, the majority of the powers that be have wizard advisors. And we are told directly that people with wizard advisors will view option 2 well, with no such claim for the other options. Who will be making the decisions in Bretonnia? Are the Damsels and nobility going to be so thrown off by the idea of killing chaos cultists? We know that the Boyars highly respect the Ice Witches. The Elector Counts all have wizard advisors. The idea that option 2 will make a bad first impression that will slow down the Project is just false. If anything it's the opposite, it's the long-term option.
It's because he PREPARED to it. He didn't march to hills on the first day. He prepared, he builded the fort, he formed army. He spent years on this.
And we will spend months before shit hits the fan. Praag is less prepared to it, because want it or not, danger inside city walls can be more dangerous than outside.
And it's significantly easier to endure war actions when they are happening far away, not in the same city.
Abel's situation was different from our, so we shouldn't look at this as an example, because we can easily have different results.
Kislev has been prepared to march into New Town for at least a century, the problem is they can't because it grows back (and also their army might come down with a case of the Nurgles).
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[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
[X] River Gate and Northeastern Kislev
[X] The Temple of Dazh and the Bleakness
[X] River Gate and Northeastern Kislev
[X] The Temple of Dazh and the Bleakness
[X] River Gate and Northeastern Kislev
I feel like the opinions of the Tzar are worth way more for international reaction and wider deployment than what people in one city think.
I feel like the opinions of the Tzar are worth way more for international reaction and wider deployment than what people in one city think.
If the Tzar were anymore in our pocket we'd be in danger of losing him in there.
Seriously we delivered world changing results and not only that we gave Kislev the first crack at it instead of the host or either of our home nations in spite of the fact that the Ice Court did the least to help (though no fault of their own).
[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
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I don't see how your choice supports your own argument here, when one options is to make things generally more pleasant and the other is to exorcise a third of the city.
New Town doesn't send mixed messages. It sends the strongest message by far: you can un-corrupt the beating heart of darkness itself if you use our shiny new invention.
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Well, Kislev did send Baba, who's one of three member of the "very scary old people" club, and the only maybe human member. I'd say Kislev has made a solid contribution.If the Tzar were anymore in our pocket we'd be in danger of losing him in there.
Seriously we delivered world changing results and not only that we gave Kislev the first crack at it instead of the host or either of our home nations in spite of the fact that the Ice Court did the least to help (though no fault of their own).
Of course, I do agree that the Tzar is already a major Mathilde fanboy. You don't ask for patricide otherwise. And simply delivering the waystones to Kislev would've gotten appreciation. But going further, that Kislev got the first is a major sign that Mathilde truly does see Kislev as the important shield of the old world. He probably thinks Mathilde is the best thing to come out of the Empire since the army of Magnus.
Hm, it's gonna be tough, but I bet we can get that coveted 'Better than magnus and all his armies' level of respect. Just need to single handedly murder the next everchosen and his entire army in some kind of glorious moment of destruction. Gonna need to consider what sort of superweapon we can turn the fire spire into...
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I'm not following. While noble ever says "no" to more money/economy, basing legitimacy on "numbers go up" is very much a more modern thing. This is a much more martial culture where legitimacy and personal pride/status is linked with ass-kicking.
Yeah, while I don't doubt even "nice" parts of Praag are awful, for someone outside looking in "These streets used to eat people and now don't" seems like the most dramatic and self obviously evident selling point ever.
[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
I mean, yes, *eventually* that is the result, but the first impression, which they were referring to, is: "Put this stone in your city and all that is dark and evil will go mad and try to murder you in your homes."
It being for the greater good and making things better years down the line is great, but people are gonna be leery about going first for that sort of thing.
I mean, I expect any questions set up by Tzeentch are gonna be the most twisted trick questions ever... for the first two, and then the third is blindingly straightforward, just to make people overthink it and screw themselves over.
I mean... if all the dark things go insane and come out in the open that makes it so much easier to kill them. Imagine you are a Bretonian Baron with a brace of knights, what do you find harder finding sneaky enemies or killing them in the open?
I mean, I'm fully on board with it, I voted for 2, I'm just saying a number of people are going to be unhappy with the kind of carnage that comes with purging this kind of place with a waystone, and the previous poster had a point that a smoother, more low key initial waystone may actually make a better first impression, even if I think it'll send a weaker message in the long run.
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No catastrophizing should be happening with this vote regardless. All of these are good choices, because we're choosing the exact flavor of good we're going to be doing with the very first Waystone.
To me, this vote is more about thematics than anything. It's about symbolism in universe and out.
To me, this vote is more about thematics than anything. It's about symbolism in universe and out.
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So, this is something that can't be dodged. Doing it this way is going to create a bad impression on the locals. It *might* improve in the future.
It is not catastrophizing to point this out.
This will not make waystones look like a solution to a problem.
I rather dislike a strategy that relies on tyranny as a Ranaldian.
The Praag locals. Who will have to accept a waystone in the old town AFTER seeing the fallout of the stone in the new town. Which will not look good or positive.
This is another very good point. We do want people to start installing waystones without assuming they also have to pay for a war first.
Exorcising a third of the city happens with both options. It can be the third that most people live in and will experience the direct impacts of it being exorcised on their quality of life. Or it can be the third that almost no one lives in or looks at.
To whom? The entire point of the nobility, the story they tell themselves to justify their power is that they know better than the commoners. In this instance this is a bias that will be confirmed by every magical specialist they speak with.
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All of the waystone options are nice, to be honest. It's a 'pick your icecream flavor' kind of vote.
They aren't going to look favorably on -us- for exorcising their city by halberd and fire. We're the one taking the reputation hit. But in the aftermath everybody will be able to look at the not-bleeding-anymore streets and say that the rocks definitely work, which is the benefit of the option.
Look, the death and danger isn't coming from the rocks. It's coming from the soldiers killing the people and or things that are trying to stop the rocks.
They aren't going to look favorably on -us- for exorcising their city by halberd and fire. We're the one taking the reputation hit. But in the aftermath everybody will be able to look at the not-bleeding-anymore streets and say that the rocks definitely work, which is the benefit of the option.
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[x] Bridge of Death and New Town
If we were using the original model of waystones I'd go for Old Town, but our model doesn't have anything obvious that a peasant would want to steal, so getting them on our side is less important.
Did we consider the Protector for the first waystones? Is it invalid because we're not putting ourselves in danger?
"You're not cleared for that information."
"...Correct????"
If we were using the original model of waystones I'd go for Old Town, but our model doesn't have anything obvious that a peasant would want to steal, so getting them on our side is less important.
Did we consider the Protector for the first waystones? Is it invalid because we're not putting ourselves in danger?
"What... Is your favorite color?"[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
Biggest concern I have with the Bridge of Death is that we might not have the chops to answer thefive questionsthree questions the Bridgekeeper is going to ask.
Cannot believe no one has made this joke before me.
"You're not cleared for that information."
"...Correct????"
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Ya know, I was gonna abstain from this vote because there are good points all around, but...
The people who would burn Mathilde were all peasants. The person who saved Mathilde was a peasant who had a better impression of the colleges. The people who hold funerals for their children when they have the gift are peasants. And so are the people who held a party when things changed at K8P. The people who would riot if the next king was a wizard are mostly peasants, the church can only act this way because it knows it could organise them against wizards more easily, and the nobles would be afraid to cross the church on that issue when they cross it all the time in other issues PRECISELY because they know its ground is particularly fertile in that extent.
Getting the approval of peasants may or may not be worse for overall deployment of Waystones. I certainly find it hard to tell, there are good arguments either way.
Getting the approval of peasants in CERTAINLY gonna be better for wizards. Its certainly gonna be better for children whose parents hate them. For children whose parents may burn them in the pyre.
Even if it was not the most ultilitarian choice by pure cost-benefit... I know which one Mathilde would choose. Because peasant approval matters for things that to her are just as important as the Waystone rollout, while the approval of everyone else barely does.
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
The people who would burn Mathilde were all peasants. The person who saved Mathilde was a peasant who had a better impression of the colleges. The people who hold funerals for their children when they have the gift are peasants. And so are the people who held a party when things changed at K8P. The people who would riot if the next king was a wizard are mostly peasants, the church can only act this way because it knows it could organise them against wizards more easily, and the nobles would be afraid to cross the church on that issue when they cross it all the time in other issues PRECISELY because they know its ground is particularly fertile in that extent.
Getting the approval of peasants may or may not be worse for overall deployment of Waystones. I certainly find it hard to tell, there are good arguments either way.
Getting the approval of peasants in CERTAINLY gonna be better for wizards. Its certainly gonna be better for children whose parents hate them. For children whose parents may burn them in the pyre.
Even if it was not the most ultilitarian choice by pure cost-benefit... I know which one Mathilde would choose. Because peasant approval matters for things that to her are just as important as the Waystone rollout, while the approval of everyone else barely does.
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town