Dwarves do have surface settlements, especially in their golden era, and this was the era where elves and dwarves worked together. A dwarven settlement with an elven waystone is not inconceivable, especially because, as you said, a dwarven waystone wouldn't have worked.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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As far as I'm aware, the top is flat but there's still plenty of mountain in the mountain?
You're suggesting it's basically the same as Talabheim but much skinnier?
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I mean, it could be a human-made nexus, maybe. But that just makes me wonder how they'd have known to connect the Middenheim nexus to Tor Lithanel and all that.
Yeah - I've previously speculated that Ghumzul itself may have had an elf nexus to connect it to the rest of the network and from there to the Karaz Ankor.
In fact, I've previously speculated that maybe the reason Ghumzul didn't participate in the War of the Ancients is because they needed the elven nexuses to keep their home safe - that to go against the elves would have meant putting a timer on their own existence. And if their connection to the Karaz Ankor got broken anyway during/after the war... well, that might also explain why they eventually left.
Something along those lines, I guess - I assume the Karak-waystone thing works because of the concept of mountains being unmoved by the Winds, and opening up the mountain on top feels like it would interfere with that.
...It's probably not gonna happen anytime soon but if we want this question answered, we should probably look at the Laurelorn network, to see what the deal with Middenheim is.
Technically it works the other way around. When Mathilde wanted to connect the new waystone in Praag, she didn't do it from the new waystone; she went to one already connected to Praag's nexus, signaled Caledor through the network, and then Caledor reached out himself to extend the network 'upstream' to the new addition. Ergo, once the Middenheim nexus was in place, Tor Lithanel would be the ones to make the connection, and we obviously know they've been keeping an eye on even other people's networks.
Middenheim in 4e has a massive Undercity of Dwarven passages within the mountain that extends all the way down to the Skaven undercity, and from Mathilde's describing the peak as "the only horizontal part of the city in the open air," the implication of all that enclosed horizontal space seems to be quest canon too.
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That would make sense, although that still makes me wonder whether they had some help in coming up with the idea of a nexus in the first place. Perhaps they got the idea from the Belthani's likely Albionese roots?
Ahh, I see, I see. Hmm. Questions, questions...
I'd add Laurelorn to the bare minimum too. Part of its network lies in the Empire and it deserves to know what its infrastructure is doing. The Brass Keep might even feed into Laurelorn. A lot of what they do should be applicable to the Empire. Which is less likely for the Ice Witches.
I think Athel Loren and Nehekhara are more about figuring out and guessing what is going on over there. Like reading accounts of people who have invaded them and come out. Karak Norn probably has some idea of what is going on in Athel Loren. The Damsels would too. I don't think there is a point to mapping Bretonnia. We want to bring them onto the Bokha Palace Accords eventually. They will have to share their nexus locations as a condition of that.
Have they mapped their own network? We still had to map the Empire's network even though we're from there. It's possible while they might have some idea, they don't have a full map.
[jk] Map the Waystone Network. All of it. Somehow...
I would be immensely disappointed in the Bretonnians if in the past fifteen hundred years the mysterious magic ladies who exert absolute authority over all concerns did not once try to map out the big rocks channeling streams of magic. The Lady of the Lake probably remembers Ulthuan building the nexuses!
The Empire has the excuse of magophobia. We also hadn't assigned Grunfeld to the action or gotten an Amber to tell us what was up. Grunfeld at least should have been able to tell us about the Empire's. But we didn't do that because it was action inefficient.
I can't imagine the Jades were aware of Athel Yenlui being a province-scale Ghyran geyser and just left it untouched and unguarded on purpose.
I do think though that if we'd had her on the action there would have been a chance of uncovering it in that action. But in hindsight we've made a lot of mistakes with assigning Grunfeld.
But as I stated already, these are entirely different situations. Bretonnia's society was never as afraid as magic as the Empire was and is. The Jades were left devastated compared to their ancestors after millennia of decline. The Damsels don't have that same decline. They also have had an order of magnitude more time to find everything. That matters. And as I've mentioned: the Lady of the Lake was around to see Ulthuan build these waystones in the first place.