Of course. If Mathilde turns into a dragon, then her shadow doing the same is to be expected.
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Actually, would transforming our shadow into a dragon, or some sort of beast thing, be a viable spell? Possibly building off our Roiling Shadows mastery to give it a defined "combat form"?
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Mathilde's shadow does its own thing, remember? The uneducated are already uneasy about it wandering around on its own; I don't want to have a bunch of peasants running away panicked if it starts pranking people in dragon form.
I'm confused. You're saying that like it's a bad thing, instead of y'know, totally amazing. I've never wanted our shadow to turn into a dragon so much before, and I'm generally pretty pro dragon.
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Seems to me that the most likely path to finding the limits to and any possibilities of our animated shadow is to take the "attempt to control an Arcane Mark" action targeting it.
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I feel the need to remind everyone this spell exists:
I don't care that much about Dragons, but I've been lobbying for this spell for a while now so we can get a shadow pegasus. Either way, there's already a template for making a shadow dragon. Sorry, "Drake".
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This spell is AWESOME. Yes, gyrocopters exist, but they're vibrating metal bawkses piloted by someone else. Has Mathilde ever flown freely? I don't think so.
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It's not much of a comparison to Gyrocopters.
Steed of Shadows will not take you long-distance.
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My understanding is that its specifically a spell for very quickly crossing a battlefield- it won't let you hang in the air or travel long distances, its for getting you or someone else from point A to point B as quickly as possible, where the two points aren't that far from each other.
In other words, its closer to Smoke and Mirrors than Shadowsteed in function, with the advantage of going further and being able to use it on someone else.
In other words, its closer to Smoke and Mirrors than Shadowsteed in function, with the advantage of going further and being able to use it on someone else.
I'll be so disappointed if we don't even put in a token effort into getting all three loremaster titles.
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I don't care even a little bit about loading ourselves with a ton of risk and AP usage getting spells we don't really need or want (Steed of Shadows excepted) for the sake of saying we're like some tabletop rule.
If we aim to reach Loremaster by grabbing 6 non-signature spells, I'd prefer we got them by inventing spells we do want. We already have Rite of Way. Summon Nazgul is an easy choice. Cloudkill is popular even if it isn't my favourite. Shroud of Fog has great utility while being conceptually simple.
If we aim to reach Loremaster by grabbing 6 non-signature spells, I'd prefer we got them by inventing spells we do want. We already have Rite of Way. Summon Nazgul is an easy choice. Cloudkill is popular even if it isn't my favourite. Shroud of Fog has great utility while being conceptually simple.
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That's because the elven gods were also having a bit of a civil war - and case in point, the civil war is still ongoing.
I thought we'd get the collage loremaster title by learning every spell in the grey college spellbook, including all the battle magic spells? Inventing spells just increases the number we have to learn (I still want to invent battle magic spells as they will be powerful abilities for us).
I don't think there's ever been WoB, so it's all speculation. Loremaster means you know all the magic of your wind (on the TT, it's a trait that lets a caster pick their known spells). But what does 'all' mean? Just the major, standardized spells? Does it include smaller stuff like the toolless enchanting spells Mathilde got taught? And technically, there's a ton of spells out there that other wizards just came up with, but never managed (or bothered) to teach anyone.
And what happens if someone invents and publicises a new spell? Do all Loremaster have to learn it or lose their title, or is it Grandfathered in?
Or maybe there's a completly different set of requirements here. Who knows?
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Actually, in TT (or at least 8E) Loremaster means you know all the spells of that Lore, no need to pick at all. The question of whether it includes ancillary stuff is still totally valid, just thought I'd note the minor rules error there.
That's fair. IIRC, in some of the older versions it meant you still only had the normal number of spells but could pick, but I might be confusing it with another trait.
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Yeah, the idea of 'completing' the spell book sits poorly with the fact of personal and personalized spells that every wizard comes up with.
I wonder if a better in-quest definition would relate to wizards who can translate spells into a form anyone can learn?
I wonder if a better in-quest definition would relate to wizards who can translate spells into a form anyone can learn?
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I vaguely remember Boney answering a question about Loremaster in that someone asked if a spell was invented and added to the BM spellbook, would a Loremaster lose their title if they didn't learn the new spell? And I believe Boney's answer was no, their title is grandfathered regardless of new spells. At the end of the day it's just a title, not a Trait or position you have to achieve.
I failed to find the actual quote, but I did find another one that I think I missed:
I failed to find the actual quote, but I did find another one that I think I missed:
Note the "If I gave it abilities at all" segment, since this is within the context of tabletop rules, but the Liber Mortis could theoretically make us a Loremaster on the Lore of Vampires. Assuming we study it.
That's actually a really cool idea. But, I don't think it would work for the Colleges, because the spell book doesn't have enough spells. Having a dedicated title means it should be a somewhat common skillset (it's frequent enough to be a category rather than a unique outlier), but in the spell book there are only enough spells that 14 Loremasters have ever possibly existed, under the very stretched assumptions that all spells were contributed by Loremasters, and every Loremaster contributed exactly 2 spells. Under more reasonable assumptions (and requirements for the number of generalised spells), any college might have 1 person ever reach that, maybe 2. Which doesn't seem like the numbers that would create a title.
It could come from the elfs, but I would guess for them the hard part isn't generalising the spell (because they are much less instictive in their magic), but creating it in the first place. In which case it would be more a title of spell inventor. Which would also be neat, though murky for humans given masteries.
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In terms of actual Loremasters that we know are Loremasters, there's Paranoth and Dragomas. Algard is not a Loremaster.
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See, I understand that it's WoG that he's not - but that's also the exact reputation a Ulgu Loremaster would cultivate if they ever achieved such a status.
Whoever the masters of Battle Magic are in the Greys, obviously they need to conform to the necessities of being consumed by Ulgu because that's an unchangeable logistical reality, but I'd also bet dollars to donuts that they're on the books as Apprentices or Perpetuals.
The Magisters in the high positions of the Grey College are the most powerful individuals there in one sense. It's just that Helmut Diethard, 'evening street cleaner' of the Grey College is one of the most powerful in another - namely, his ability to dump a quarter of Altdorf into a Pit of Shades simply by deciding to.
The most powerful battle magic user in the Grey Order is Lord Magister Melkoth, who's famous for casting his signature spell on other people as a prank.