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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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hi evryyone.. i have made another ShAtTeRiNg discovery.
We know that Radixashen joined with Rhya:
Boney said:
"Rhya isn't Isha," Deathfang repeats. "Draugnir joined with your Gods, but Radixashen joined with Rhya. I know not of Kurnous and Taal, but Rhya and Isha are two different beings."
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We know that Radixashen was in Cd:
Boney said:
Draugnir with the city of Qt, Abraxas with the city of Iz, Radixashen with the city of Cd, Urmskaladrak with the city of Zl, and Kalgalanos with the city of Cl.
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So Rhya and Cd are both connected to Radixashen, who in canon is said to be in/of Athel Loren. Who else is in Athel Loren? Drycha. Get it?
Rhya------>Dryhca<-----Cd
help ive fallen into a lore hole and i cant get out
 
Melkoth is not only in the triple digits and relatively spry for it by tricking time itself, he's also one of the few people to survive the Night of a Thousand Duels, and unlike Alric, he wasn't trapped in a crystal for the duration of that event.
 
mathymancer said:
hi evryyone.. i have made another ShAtTeRiNg discovery.
We know that Radixashen joined with Rhya:

We know that Radixashen was in Cd:

So Rhya and Cd are both connected to Radixashen, who in canon is said to be in/of Athel Loren. Who else is in Athel Loren? Drycha. Get it?
Rhya------>Dryhca<-----Cd
help ive fallen into a lore hole and i cant get out
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Genius! But what does it mean?
 
If I was more in the conspiracy side, I would say Coeddil has a better connection to Cd than Drycha. He is one of the Ancients after all. Not that I think the letters in his name mean much in this case, but we're already tinfoiling.
 
Codex said:
If I was more in the conspiracy side, I would say Coeddil has a better connection to Cd than Drycha. He is one of the Ancients after all. Not that I think the letters in his name mean much in this case, but we're already tinfoiling.
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I'm still convinced that Morghur's Khazalid name in-quest being Cor-Dum is connected to Cd.
 
mathymancer said:
Kavzar is city-father
Rhya is earth-mother
male and female, tamed and wild
Morghur forgot much, but even in madness he remembered his enminty for his counterpart
Morghur, the shadowgave
Drycha, wielder of the wind of shadow
Drycha, servant of Coeddil
Coe-ddil
Cor-Dum
Cd

(it means that i am losing my mind)
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Interestingly, Rhya and Taal are the opposite. Taal is the god of those parts of nature that are outside human control, the wilderness and natural phenomena like the sun, Rhya is the god of the tamed bits of nature, like agriculture.
 
How to contract city names to two letters?

Hypothesis 1: First two letters
Zl - Zlatlan
...and that's it.

Hypothesis 2: First letter is first letter in the city name. Second letter is...somewhere in the name?
Iz - Itza
Zl - Zlatlan
Qt - Quetza/Qu'ittax
Cl - Cuexotl/Chupayotl
Can't narrow down Qt or Cl, and no Cd (why, I want you).
Ok, embrace the madness. See the sounds and hear the colours. What patterns emerge?

Hypothesis 2.1: First letter is first letter in city name. Second letter is first letter after the first 't' in the name (yes this means you must have a t in the name, yes not all temple cities have a t in the name, no i don't know what i'm doing)
Iz - Itza
Zl - Zlatlan
Qt - Qu'ittax
Cl - Cuexotl/Chupayotl
Good news: everything fits, and we've narrowed down Qt. Bad news - doesn't narrow down Cl.
Where is Cd? There is no Cd. Why no Cd? Where are you?
("but there's pretty much no information on Qu'ittax" yeah well there's pretty much nothing on Radixashen and Qu'ittax is the "city of scales" cause it had dragons see it fits)

Look deeper. Nothing is a coincidence. Qt, Iz, Cd, Zl, Cl. It's a story, told from generation to generation. Those things have poetry to them, rhythms. Nothing is a concidence.
The cities are in order.

Hypothesis 3.1: West to east.
Qu'ittax to Itza to Zlatlan to Cuexotl.
(Cuexotl is barely east of Zlatlan on the maps I'm looking at, but it is more eastern. Two maps give different locations for Itza, but one doesn't have Qu'ittax at all, the other has Qu'ittax west of Itza, so whatever, this counts)
Or maybe it doesn't count. In which case:
Hypothesis 3.2: First two in Lustria, last two in the Southlands.
Works just as well. Could be either one.
Either way, we have Cuexotl for Cl. We have them all.
(kind of clustered together aren't they? well i have two lights under which to search for my keys, so my keys must be there. five continents and five cities, maybe each should be on a different continent? yeah and maybe you should shut up)

All but Cd. Cd, my beloved, why do you hide your face? Am I not worthy?
There is so much between Zlatlan and Itza. Too much between Lustria and the Southlands.
Athel Loren is too far east, probably. Western Norsca? Albion?
 
mathymancer said:
five continents and five cities, maybe each should be on a different continent? yeah and maybe you should shut up
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I think we should probably assume they're all on different continents, yeah.

Boney said:
The continents were reshaped into five, and five cities were founded and our five leaders each joined with one. Draugnir with the city of Qt, Abraxas with the city of Iz, Radixashen with the city of Cd, Urmskaladrak with the city of Zl, and Kalgalanos with the city of Cl.
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Seems reasonable to think that one is the Lost City of the Old Ones in Khuresh, so we can just treat that one as a 'free space', and it takes care of the Far East (the continent doesn't really have a name the way the others do)

Zl seems very likely to be Zlatlan (letters fit, Urmskaladrak was from there and he was killed by the Dwarfs who are from the Southlands, 2+2=Zlatlan), so that's the Southlands.

Iz being Itza would make sense, so that's Lustria.

We know Qt made the Elves, which makes sense given it's associated with Draugnir. People have suggested the Ancient City of Quintex (it's just a name on a map), which is fine by me, I don't have any better ideas. So that's Naggaroth.
Boney said:
Deathfang pauses, and looks over to the hammock with what almost seems like fondness. "It was Qt that created beings worthy to guard our nests and grow our food. That is almost enough to forgive them for their ultimate failure."
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So really the sticking point is Cd and Cl, one of which is (I'm assuming) the LCotOO in Khuresh, and the other is in the Old World.

I really don't know for the location in the Old World, it's slightly lacking in ancient Temple Cities and the like. Though, that brings to mind Albion, and Albion actually has an intriguing possiblity- the Citadel of Lead.
The Citadel of Lead on the island is a strange and baroque structure of twisted spires and warped gates. It is rumoured to be a prison for some powerful daemon, locked away at the dawn of time by the Gods themselves.
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(2e RP, Companion, page 10)

So lets say that's Cl (Citadel of Lead) for the Old World, stick Cd in Khuresh, and we're done!

This post is completely flawless and I will be accepting no notes.
 
Borek mentioned that Norsca was once a "prison", similar to Karak Zorn, and that's why the norse dwarves settled there. Cd->Kraka Drak maybe? It's a stretch, I don't fully believe it myself, but I thought I'd just throw the idea out there.
 
mathymancer said:
hi evryyone.. i have made another ShAtTeRiNg discovery.
We know that Radixashen joined with Rhya:

We know that Radixashen was in Cd:

So Rhya and Cd are both connected to Radixashen, who in canon is said to be in/of Athel Loren. Who else is in Athel Loren? Drycha. Get it?
Rhya------>Dryhca<-----Cd
help ive fallen into a lore hole and i cant get out
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I think it's pretty obvious what this means.

I can't believe Taal got cucked by a city! Talk about worst things that could happen to a God of the Wild.
 
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Mopman43 said:
We know Qt made the Elves, which makes sense given it's associated with Draugnir. People have suggested the Ancient City of Quintex (it's just a name on a map), which is fine by me, I don't have any better ideas. So that's Naggaroth.
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I'm sure you know this already, but to anyone else, Total War did expand on the flavor text for Quintex by making a three stage Landmark set in it. It goes Catacombs, Vaults then Sanctum, and has the following flavor text:

Catacombs: "The catacombs of this impossibly ancient city conceal treasures that are not of this realm."

Vaults: "Quintex has stood since before the dawn of recorded history. Within its vaults lie treasures beyond comprehension."

Sanctum: "The deepest chancels within Quintex may very well hold treasures and learnings that unlock the past, and foretell the future."

I feel the need to point out that this is Total War, which isn't exactly high on the canonicity scale, but I believe it's the most we got out of Quintex.
 
mathymancer said:
(kind of clustered together aren't they? well i have two lights under which to search for my keys, so my keys must be there. five continents and five cities, maybe each should be on a different continent? yeah and maybe you should shut up)
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You seem like a lot of fun.
mathymancer said:
All but Cd. Cd, my beloved, why do you hide your face? Am I not worthy?
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If the polar gates were built by the old ones, would it not make sense that one of the first cities would be built near such an important logistical hub?
I'm not as deep in the names as you are, but there is of course the possibility that whatever Cd was is simply gone now. Buried under the ice and the nurgle mushrooms, or something. Or maybe it's still there, but somewhere inaccessible to anyone who doesn't have extra limbs.
 
mathymancer said:
How to contract city names to two letters?
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I assumed it was syllable-based abbreviation, like is sometimes done with Japanese. Take the first letter of each syllable. So, ZlatLan, ItZa, QuinTex, and possibly CaLith.

EDIT: The story did imply there was one city per continent. (It wasn't actually stated, though, so maybe I've been assuming too much.) The problem there becomes what you define as a "continent". Naggaroth, Lustria and the Southlands are covered, but how many continents is the rest of the Old World / Cathay? And should we count the southern continent? Ulthuan almost certainly doesn't count, it was created later on.
 
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Another possible pattern fitting Mathymancer's candidate list is that it's not the first one after the first "t", but rather the most frequently appearing; that covers Zlatlan and Qui'ttax, while the remaining candidates lack any repeats to conflict. Does that get us a Cd?
 
LadySerpentine said:
Another possible pattern fitting Mathymancer's candidate list is that it's not the first one after the first "t", but rather the most frequently appearing; that covers Zlatlan and Qui'ttax, while the remaining candidates lack any repeats to conflict. Does that get us a Cd?
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Honestly, the main issue is thinking of a place that actually fits the patterns of 'starts with C, contains a D', it's not that we have too many options to pick from.

(The only one that comes to mind off-hand is Caledor, though of course the kingdom was named for the person so it would have to be that Caledor the Elf got his name from Cd which seems unlikely)
 
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Honestly my assumption would be that the modern names mostly are linguistic shifts from the older names that may very well have been much closer to just those two letters.

Mopman43 said:
(The only one that comes to mind off-hand is Caledor, though of course the kingdom was named for the person so it would have to be that Caledor the Elf got his name from Cd which seems unlikely)
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I'm pretty sure we've got evidence that as a matter of fact that's a chain of the Kingdom Got the name from the Elf, but the Elf got the name from a location within the Kingdom in the first place. The ORINAL Tor Caled predated the coming of Chaos so it must have predated Caledor.
 
How much linguistic drift should we be expecting? Itza and Zlatlan are both held by lizardmen, and Quintex is an isolated ruin in Naggaroth. It's likely that there's been less drift, so those names still resemble the originals. But Cl and Cd should then be in the human dominated regions of the Old World and the Far East, which could potentially result in more drift (even accounting for the fact that warhammer languages don't drift much due to being descended from the Old One Tongue).

Essentially, what if C->Kh and L->Ri and Cl is now the city of Khemri? Is that plausible, or am I thinking in circles? It's the oldest human city I can think of, and the heart of the earliest human civilisation on the planet.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
It's the oldest human city I can think of, and the heart of the earliest human civilisation on the planet.
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2nd-earliest (probably).

Even before the new material on Cathay, in the 8th edition Ogre Kingdoms army book, Cathay dropped the meteor on them in -2750 IC, 250 years before Settra. So they had an advanced enough society to pull off a very high-impact feat of magic even at that point.

I'm not personally touching linguistic drift because I have no ability or understanding to.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I thought we'd get the collage loremaster title by learning every spell in the grey college spellbook, including all the battle magic spells? Inventing spells just increases the number we have to learn (I still want to invent battle magic spells as they will be powerful abilities for us).
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If we can get Loremaster by learning battle magic spells but not by inventing battle magic spells, then the title is worth less than I expected.
 
mathymancer said:
All but Cd. Cd, my beloved, why do you hide your face? Am I not worthy?
There is so much between Zlatlan and Itza. Too much between Lustria and the Southlands.
Athel Loren is too far east, probably. Western Norsca? Albion?
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Lost Cd when the children of the forest used the hammer of waters to shatter the arm of dorne and stop human encroachment. City father loses domain, humans left homeless, wandering and shattered. Ulric takes the hammer from the children and uses it to bash chaos, he tries to absorb hammers power, causing the sea of claws and humanity to be cursed with mutation, eventually kinda succeeds partly and makes sigmar/ghal maraz with the power. Aenarion was both helping innocent humans escape and sabotaging defenses to help sink the city. The city was sunk because they converted to the worship of Ranald and wanted to throw a slave revolt. Ranald then became a sea god because he can just roll with the punches.
 
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