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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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A couple years ago, Loremaster of Sotek did an interview with Andy Hall about Zharralid and linguistics in general. From what I gather, Andy was involved in Total War's language creation.

Here's some interesting stuff I've picked up:
~7:37. Saurus don't have smaller vocabulary than skinks, they're just more direct. [Meanwhile in 4e's Lustria, the Saurus dialect has about fifty words.]
~12:53. Dark Tongue has a surprising number of key words in Eltharin because Dark Tongue is a language of magic. It's also found in human spellcasting. The Age of Sigmar realms are named after words in the Chaos language.
~13:52. Andy imagines Norscans probably have their own dialect [sic] heavily influenced by Dark Tongue and Reikspiel, the latter from Chaos Imperials who head north.
~14:34. Dark Tongue comes from the language of the daemons, but Andy doesn't know what it's called or if it even has a separate name. Could be that daemons in the Warp don't need to speak as such.
~23:33. "I know Rick was very much like 'dwarfs are Yorkshire miners and orcs and goblins are South London football hooligans, probably from Millwall'."
~24:12. Dave Andrews at Games Workshop painted his orc army green, which led to green orcs becoming a thing in media in general; before, they were brown-skinned like Lord of the Rings.
~29:37. The Chaos Dwarves call themselves Drath, Drath-Zharr, or Uzkul Drath-Zharr if they're being really posh.
~34:33. The base of Zharralid is Khazalid, and Arcadian was brought in for it.
 
On the topic of museums, I felt it be better to ask the question here.

How closely monitored is the Altdorf Museum and how often does a Magister have to march down there :V
 
I like the mental image of the Colleges sending Perpetuals to work full-time at museums as clerks or gift shop workers or the like, as contingencies and first lines of defense against whatever will might go wrong in those places.
 
@Boney Are products from particularily old human craftsmen considered dawri?

I've spent some time considering the ages, and well. An 80 year old cobbler would've been in the profession just as long as a Fullbeard, and those are considered masters of their craft. One could say that Men get worse with age, but there are some professions where that won't really have an impact on quality, only on thoroughput. And sure, institutional knowledge and all that, but its not like some things stay in family for generations.

Highly specific case i know, just some weird shower thoughts.
 
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pucflek said:
@Boney Are products from particularily old human craftsmen considered dawri?

I've spent some time considering the ages, and well. An 80 year old cobbler would've been in the profession just as long as a Fullbeard, and those are considered masters of their craft. One could say that Men get worse with age, but there are some professions where that won't really have an impact on quality, only on thoroughput. And sure, institutional knowledge and all that, but its not like some things stay in family for generations.

Highly specific case i know, just some weird shower thoughts.
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Dawri is a subjective descriptor, not something that a product can objectively be or not. An easy-going Dwarf might compliment a human cobbler that did good work by saying it was dawrit, and though there'd be plenty of cantankerous longbeards that would scoff and take that as a launching point to talk about the cobbling back in their day, it's not the sort of thing anybody would really get their back up about.
 
Gonna see if I can take a crack at deciphering the Khazalid in Assault on Drakenhof 5.

Boney said:
Govibarazak - she who makes an oath-stone of their liege
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Gov means thane, i means profession, baraz means oath, and ak means concept. There's no dur for stone, but I think that's covered by baraz - an oathstone is just a physical representation of an already "physical" oath.

She isn't literally making her liege an oath-stone, so that's what the ak is for. An i at the end of zint, tin, makes zinti, tinsmith. "Thanesmith conceptual oathstone". Highly creative.

Boney said:
"Wanbarazek. What oaths bind you?"
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Wan is a question mark, baraz means oath, ek means you. What oath you. No verb there; barit would be what you'd use for bind. Fully transliterated, it'd be wan baraz barit ek.

However, the fact that it's all one word makes me think that in Khazalid, it more closely (but awkwardly) translates as something like "What oaths are of you"?

Boney said:
"Nadammen - no insult is meant
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Dwarfs 6e seems to say "nai, na, nuf" mean "no, not, never", respectively. That first one's interesting, because the same source says that Khazalid strenuously avoids putting vowels together, and also that a and i sound basically the same in Khazalid.

But I digress. Na is not, dammaz is grudge, en is currently ongoing but not indefinite. "Not insulting".

Boney said:
Nubarazeni - one who is currently Oathbound, but fulfilment of the Oath is possible
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Nu is now, baraz is oath, en is currently ongoing but indefinite, i is person. "Now oathing person". Easy enough to get "one who is currently oathbound", but not sure how you get "but fulfilment of the oath is possible". My guesses there are that Khazalid has a word when fulfilment of an oath is impossible, or that's just some additional commentary Launy provided.

Boney said:
Anadgirdbarazanui, one whose Oath shall soon be fulfilled
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This is a hell of a word. Anad is will have done, gird is the past tense form of to do, baraz is oath, anu is soon, i is person. "Will have to have done oath soon person".

Gird is a weird one here. "to do oath" and "to have done oath" work very well as meaning "fulfil an oath" (something I wish I thought of sooner), but nubarazeni before seemed to imply that "oath" (as in "oathing") was the Khazalid used for fulfilling an oath. I think I know why this is, though. The closest thing Khazalid has to "oath will be fulfilled" is anadbarazed, which means "will have fulfilled the oath". The "to have done" alters the meaning enough to fit what Launy's translating it to.

Anu and i break the rules by putting two vowels together.

Boney said:
Duri, people of stone
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Dur, stone that can be riven, i, people. Easy.

Boney said:
Anaddreki - destined for greatness
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Addreki, one who achieved greatness
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Anad, will have, ad, did, drek, great ambition or enterprise, i, person. "Will have great enterprise person" and "did great enterprise person". "did great" and "is great" are different, but "destined for achieving greatness" isn't really an English term, so I think Launy was translating to a close-enough equivalent, like with wanbarazek.
 
Andres said:
Anu and i break the rules by putting two vowels together.
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This is true. This could just be a mistake - this was early in my Khazalidokrar - but it could be that I considered -anugi and -anuki and decided I didn't like the way either sounded. 'Ui' just sounds very fantasy-ish to me, it brings to mind Gimli mentioning Emyn Muil in the first Lord of the Rings movie.
 
I'm kinda wondering if Algard is scatterbrained, using his Hands as a stand in while in office with illusion, or if i am overestimating the importance of Mathilde's visits to him (in the sense that for her it was important but for him it was tuesday). Or underestimating how much shit he has on his plate so he just kinda forgets details because they tend to be below his abstraction.

Because he daemon-checked her twice, but the second time he did so, the dialogue implied he kinda did not remember it was her specifically. Because he tossed the daemonchecker at her after because he remembered it fucks with his paper subdimensions but then felt the need to explain as if Mathilde was not there for it? And he forgot(or maybe never learned, i guess it may not have been that important to him?) the name of Karak Nar despite being physically present in K8P for several weeks.

Like idk, is this me expecting something that shouldn't be expected, misreading Boney's intent, a potential hook for something or Boney forgetting stuff too sometimes?
 
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pucflek said:
I'm kinda wondering if Algard is scatterbrained, using his Hands as a stand in while in office with illusion, or if i am overestimating the importance of Mathilde's visits to him (in the sense that for her it was important but for him it was tuesday). Or underestimating how much shit he has on his plate so he just kinda forgets details because they tend to be below his abstraction.

Because he daemon-checked her twice, but the second time he did so, the dialogue implied he kinda did not remember it was her specifically. Because he tossed the daemonchecker at her after because he remembered it fucks with his paper subdimensions but then felt the need to explain as if Mathilde was not there for it? And he forgot(or maybe never learned, i guess it may not have been that important to him?) the name of Karak Nar despite being physically present in K8P for several weeks.

Like idk, is this me expecting something that shouldn't be expected, misreading Boney's intent, a potential hook for something or Boney forgetting stuff too sometimes?
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Algard acts scatterbrained, and it has to be an act surely, because they wouldn't really let someone like that head the entire college? Right?

But for the demon checker orb, I think he's just making a joke, alluding to the last time he had to use it was also on Mathilde, rather than outright saying it.

Also Boney explained the Karak Nar thing—Algard isn't super knowledgeable on Dwarven Karaks, and thinks of K8P as a single hold, rather than eight holds in a trenchcoat.
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
But for the demo checker orb, I think he's just making a joke, alluding to the last time he had to use it was also on Mathilde, rather than outright saying it.
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Idk

Boney said:
You turn, and are barely able to catch the glowing orb and its payload of Hysh as it hurtles towards you, and frown at its scrutiny and subsequent inactivity. "Why couldn't you just hand it to me?"

"I could say it's so you let your guard down, but honestly it's because if it does its work on someone sitting right across from me, it messes with my paperwork enchantments."
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Maybe? Not sure. Sometimes its hard to get the tone across with dialogue alone.

Fair enough tho.
 
dinomannitro6 said:
One of the lore posts you made recently said Gazul was the last one to leave of the Ancestor Gods because he was setting up the veneration right? So that could be referring to His adopted mother Valaya. It does say loss not death.
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I can't check my copy of the Dwarf Player's Guide right now, but is Gazul the adopted son of Valaya et al, or the adopted brother? Back in Stone and Steel the others were referred to as his 'sibling gods'.
 
pucflek said:
I'm kinda wondering if Algard is scatterbrained, using his Hands as a stand in while in office with illusion, or if i am overestimating the importance of Mathilde's visits to him (in the sense that for her it was important but for him it was tuesday). Or underestimating how much shit he has on his plate so he just kinda forgets details because they tend to be below his abstraction.

Because he daemon-checked her twice, but the second time he did so, the dialogue implied he kinda did not remember it was her specifically. Because he tossed the daemonchecker at her after because he remembered it fucks with his paper subdimensions but then felt the need to explain as if Mathilde was not there for it? And he forgot(or maybe never learned, i guess it may not have been that important to him?) the name of Karak Nar despite being physically present in K8P for several weeks.

Like idk, is this me expecting something that shouldn't be expected, misreading Boney's intent, a potential hook for something or Boney forgetting stuff too sometimes?
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For Algard, those meetings were six years apart. The details of a single interaction fade over years if you're having interactions like it every single day. People remember going to a city but forget what suburb their hotel was in. People remember the broad thrust of an important conversation and the high points of it, but not every detail of the back and forth. Preventing characters from having supernatural memories just because I can go back and check the detail of a random conversation they had a decade ago is something I actively remind myself to do, and you can often find references to Mathilde checking her notes to explain how she can remember trivia that turns out important from multiple arcs ago.

deathofrats0808 said:
It calls him "The youngest brother of the Ancestor Gods". So likely not adopted.
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He's also emphasized as being born Clanless in a way the others very much aren't.
 
Andres said:
What's the difference between ad and gird? They're both past tense versions of 'do'.
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Let's try that in a simple sentence and see if it makes sense.
Mining gronit, mining adgronit / Mining do, mining done.
Mining gird, mining adgird / Mining do(past), mining done(past) - Translation attempt: Used to be mining do, used to be mining done.

As you can see gird is not done, it is do (past). A job that was once something you were doing, but circumstances changed before it was done.
Meanwhile ad indicates that the verb action has completed.
 
Thinking about this post and how it applies to Dwarf Favour.

The reason a dwarf may not immediately march out to resolve a grudge is to contribute to their society, which will in time resolve it for them. Because of that, it's acceptable for a dwarf to resolve another dwarf's grudge - that's the system working as intended.

Slayers are clanless and holdless, but they're inducted into the Cult of Grimnir so they're still part of dwarf society and work within the same system.

When a non-dwarf resolves the dwarf's grudge, the dwarf owes them because they're not part of the dwarf's society and thus aren't benefiting from the dwarf's contributions by default. That's why non-dwarves get DF but dwarves don't.

It's possible for a dwarf to give a gift of gratitude to another dwarf who's wiped out their grudge, but not required. Still, they are likely to be grateful and thus are more likely to help them out with stuff if asked.


@Boney, after shadowmancer, what kind of wizard would Eike have wanted to be?
 
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thamuzz said:
Correct due to her grandmother, and Jade due to Shallayan sympathies/resonance?
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Wilhelmina says that Azyr or Chamon yeah, so she has surprisingly good take on her grandma. Not difficult to do, since Mathilde does say that Gold College is one of the richest institutions in Old World.

Jade either because Shallaya stuff or Panoramia made impression i guess?
 
thamuzz said:
Correct due to her grandmother, and Jade due to Shallayan sympathies/resonance?
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pucflek said:
Wilhelmina says that Azyr or Chamon yeah, so she has surprisingly good take on her grandma. Not difficult to do, since Mathilde does say that Gold College is one of the richest institutions in Old World.

Jade either because Shallaya stuff or Panoramia made impression i guess?
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My thought is "correct because after Panoramia (Mathilde's Jade girlfriend), she notably has two Gold employees who are her friends".
 
Parabola said:
My thought is "correct because after Panoramia (Mathilde's Jade girlfriend), she notably has two Gold employees who are her friends".
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I don't recall her being introduced to them thought, so probably not. And she was thinking mostly in framework of what she believed her calling in life was back then, so the job being lined up for her and her personal preference rings far truer.

Sir_Travelsalot said:
It's Shallya. It is a pet peeve of mine how many people wind up misspelling that name in exactly that way.
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And i assure you i will make it many more times because it rolls off the tongue better. Salyak can deal with having bazillion names because of shitty spelling.
 
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