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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
A Grudge being recorded is not a plea of 'I am helpless to get justice on my own, please do it for me'. It's more along the lines of 'okay, fine, if you record it and solemnly swear that one day it will be righted, I will go back to being a productive and taxpaying citizen instead of going full John Wick about this'. That goes for every level of escalation - a Clan isn't asking for help, they're telling the King that if they don't take on this burden, then he's going to have one less Clan in his Karak because they'll march to their own destruction to right this wrong.
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I do have to wonder just how often it has happened that the High King has just refused to mark down a grudge? A clan says mark this down or you are going to have one less clan and the High King says "Fine do as you will, but I am not dragging Karaz Ankor as a whole into this".
 
fictionfan said:
I do have to wonder just how often it has happened that the High King has just refused to mark down a grudge? A clan says mark this down or you are going to have one less clan and the High King says "Fine do as you will, but I am not dragging Karaz Ankor as a whole into this".
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Everytime this happens, High King gets variation of this dillemma except it says "write it down" instead of "wrong put right"

I imagine there is no choice. If the Grudge is recognized to be valid by everyone in grudgelore business, its recorded. Tradition demands it.
 
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pucflek said:
Everytime this happens, High King gets variation of this dillemma except it says "write it down" instead of "wrong put right"

I imagine there is no choice. If the Grudge is recognized to be valid by everyone in grudgelore business, its recorded. Tradition demands it.
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It's probably one of those "if the king makes that choice, he's not long for being a king." Things.
 
fictionfan said:
I do have to wonder just how often it has happened that the High King has just refused to mark down a grudge? A clan says mark this down or you are going to have one less clan and the High King says "Fine do as you will, but I am not dragging Karaz Ankor as a whole into this".
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Yeah... Pretty sure that kind of shit is what gets you dwarf republics.
 
I imagine the big scare is there is disagreement about whether something is grudgeworthy rather than the High King just refusing a grudge because he doesn't think it's worth it.
 
reignonyrparade said:
I imagine the big scare is there is disagreement about whether something is grudgeworthy rather than the High King just refusing a grudge because he doesn't think it's worth it.
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I mean that already has a process. You escalate from clan elders of that clan through king of the hold all the way to the high king. Grudges are (if I understood correctly) contestable. The problem begins only at the moment where something everyone agrees is a grudge but is not entered as one anyway. I suppose that theoretically that gives high king some loophole on not recognizing a proper grudge as such but idk.
 
@Boney, who was the ancestor god of leatherworking, Valaya or Skavor? Valaya's a healer (and I remember the leatherworkers are surgeons), while Skavor's a fleshcrafter.
 
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Andres said:
@Boney, who was the ancestor god of leatherworking, Valaya or Skavor? Valaya's a healer (and I remember the leatherworkers are surgeons), while Skavor's a fleshcrafter.
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Even according to the myths most sympathetic to Skavor, he discovered his affinity for fleshworking after he left the Karaz Ankor, so he would not be the Ancestor God for leatherworking. So it would go to Valaya.
 
pucflek said:
Wait, legends about Skavor are real in quest?
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The thing about Warhammr history (and current events) is that it's like real world history. All we know is what someone said happened. We have no objective record of the truth of events.

All we know for certain about any event is what someone in the setting has claimed about it or even told a story about it. We often don't even know how much they've claimed that their account is literal truth rather than reflecting some 'essential' truth despite, for example, anachronisms.

All we can do is judge how convincing the accounts are, based on whether there are multiple consistent sources, whether it makes sense in light of other events, etc, in the same way we do with real history. Unlike real history though, we don't have any archaeology.

All we can say about Skavor is that some people in the setting say or wrote that he once existed. Whether the people who make the claim even believe that or whether it's a deliberately outrageous statement designed to piss off orthodox dwarves for example, is unknowable.
 
Andres said:
It's possible for a dwarf to give a gift of gratitude to another dwarf who's wiped out their grudge, but not required. Still, they are likely to be grateful and thus are more likely to help them out with stuff if asked.
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Doing significant stuff probably creates a social obligation - Boons are probably the meta expression of doing it on the macro level but the average Dawi probably gets a sort of 'social credit' for the relatively minor stuff (Mathilde's actions probably maxed that out).
 
AsuraAtlas said:
Do Dwarven Kings pay taxes to Karaz-a-Karak?
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No, Dwarven vassal obligations are generally paid in the form of material or materiel or military forces, which are put towards the High King's obligations to the rest of the Karaz Ankor. When everyone's getting along it looks more like mutual support amongst Dwarfholds, but the High King can crack the whip if necessary.
 
Boney said:
Preventing characters from having supernatural memories just because I can go back and check the detail of a random conversation they had a decade ago is something I actively remind myself to do, and you can often find references to Mathilde checking her notes to explain how she can remember trivia that turns out important from multiple arcs ago.
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Melkoth, meanwhile, never writes down notes on anything. Not because he has supernatural memory, but because if he forgets anything important, he can just ask his past self. :V
 
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