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Technically yes, but given that Westerland consisted mainly of Marienburg and a whole lot of swamps, the difference between the two is negligible.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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FriedIce
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The man makes an excellent point.
It might be worth doing the Karaz Ankor network action, or Bugman's Nexus action next turn so the Empire has an option to cart all their magic off to the Dwarves instead.
I'm down for anything that helps turn on more ancient dwarven superweapons.
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Typo: Helmgart
Wait, I thought Karak Norn was a New Hold and thus not yet built during the War of the Ancients? Or is this a case of Karak Norn being constructed over the remnants of a decommissioned Dwarven Waystone after the war?
Is this line Mathilde or the Emperor speaking?
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So not something to be addressed by Questors.
Speaking as someone who really wants to do the iron orc thing in Bretonnia, I do agree that we need to first ascertain the scope of the problem.
That said, I do think the issue is relatively small scale. The Duke and Duchess made a personal request to Mathilde—not to the Colleges, or the Empire, but to Mathilde. It's an issue where the conventional solution of sending an army to deal with it has failed, and their next resort wasn't to get a bigger army, but to request a stealth specialist to intervene. They didn't ask Mathilde to solo every orc in the mountains—and if they were, then they didn't really want the waystone project at all and were trying to get Mathilde to go away by presenting an unreasonable offer.
That said, I do think the issue is relatively small scale. The Duke and Duchess made a personal request to Mathilde—not to the Colleges, or the Empire, but to Mathilde. It's an issue where the conventional solution of sending an army to deal with it has failed, and their next resort wasn't to get a bigger army, but to request a stealth specialist to intervene. They didn't ask Mathilde to solo every orc in the mountains—and if they were, then they didn't really want the waystone project at all and were trying to get Mathilde to go away by presenting an unreasonable offer.
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The more Magda Wessen side stories I read the more convinced I am that Mathilde's shadow is the one writing them.
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Karak Norn was around by then. I'm pretty sure the distinction between New and Old holds is whether or not they were established in the time of the Ancestor Gods.
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Switching now would mean problems for the Vortex, so I don't think it's a very good idea.
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For the purpose of quest canon, it was founded during the Golden Age, though it didn't grow in prominence until the Time of Woes:
The Emperor, Boney tends to split up paragraphs by speaker rather than have multiple speakers in a single paragraph. Since the next line is narration about the Emperor's movement and then more things he said, I think we can say it is all him.
Is there a minimum inflow to keep the Vortex going or something? If diverting a chunk of the empire is enough to destabilize the Vortex I feel like the kislev vortex should be of more concern.
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Hedgewise can already be Wizards. Or do you mean giving them a legal charter a la Elementalists?
Isn't the implication in the correct that a ruler is his own grace? Or something? I.e. one still calls their own ruler "Your Grace" and never "My Grace". Or am I confused about how this was used during relevant time periods? I've seen "Your Honor" and "Your Majesty" more often in media, so that might color my memory. The whole calling people their own adjectives is a bit weird anyway.
But yeah, Nyklaus mangling formal speech is as valid a quirk as any, if a tad ironic given how much he buys into the whole "merciful privilege of the peasantry to be allowed to pay taxes to nobles" thing.
Wouldn't the Eonir books on the subject be more useful? The Houses still care to mention which Kingdom their ancestors hail from, so the bias shouldn't be excessively negative while the knowledge within would contain more primary sources, if possibly very outdated ones.
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so i found some quotes pertaining to the iron orc problem. but yes i admit that i thought we got more precise descriptions of the problem then "here be orcs"
but to the quotes
but to the quotes
these two imply that its not a problem a army would or could solve right now, which is probably why i thought its finding the buggers thats the problem.
this one is just nice to know. even if we just do minimal stuff we do get something, might not be much but every bit helps.
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pucflek
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No. They asked Lady Magister. A position which was bequeathed on Dragomas after he negotiated a non-agression treaty with another empire because its the only one high enough on the hierarchy for it to be legitimate. Thats who they were dealing with, with a person that has the political pull to negotiate on level of nations.
I mean formally yes, 'you lot are now wizards and thus protected'.
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Okay, I double checked my memory and the conflicting details stems from the iconic Thorgrim "A Tide Turns" update:
Karak Norn is described as a Young Hold here. But let's ignore that for a second, does the information about the Karak Norn Waystone mean that we could potentially add another node to the Dwarven Network by fixing Bugman's Brewery connection?
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Considering matters more now that we have the summary, there's a case for "we want at least one Grey Wizard in Athel Yenlui on a long-term basis" regardless of other factors. As an extremely valuable strategic asset and a powerful magical resource, it's a very tempting target for the various Imperial factions to try placing agents in, not to mention our neighbors. Probably also at least one Light Wizard; being able to do spotchecks for demons is a valuable skill for protecting that kind of target, and it also means that if a demon does show up, there's a specialist on hand. And a Jade wouldn't go amiss, since we want someone monitoring the flow of Ghyran and studying the mechanism.
So what I'm saying is that Mathilde, Panoramia, and Egrimm just got themselves Elven summer homes.
More seriously, managing the details of this is probably above our paygrade. A quiet word with our contacts in the Colleges - particularly our Patriarch - to make sure they know to keep an eye on it rather than dismissing it as just another Elven ruin might not go amiss, though.
More seriously, managing the details of this is probably above our paygrade. A quiet word with our contacts in the Colleges - particularly our Patriarch - to make sure they know to keep an eye on it rather than dismissing it as just another Elven ruin might not go amiss, though.
This. I mean if we really wanted to we could use our Boon with Vlag to get an army of dwarfs down to Bretonia to fight and die killing orcs and that is just the most straightforward way we could get an army
still, they dont need an army, they have a perfectly fine on at home. and their even really good at killing orcs.
so i really doubt they want an army
deathofrats0808
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They don't seem to have had a vote post-Magnus, and I doubt the Council that ruled Marienburg considered themselves Westerlanders. Plus, said Council definitely didn't have a say when the place was ruled by hereditary nobles. Considering the fact said Council seems to have immediately begun working towards independence, claiming they really felt themselves to be an already independent institution seems incorrect to me.
It's probably not neglible for the Marienburgers who ended up in control after Magnus. They ended up only purchasing the independence of the city after all, so it seems likely to me that the Westerland was not a concept they held particularly strongly to.
True, but that doesn't mean people won't make those assumptions anyway. People are not as logical as you seem to be thinking, and assuming they can protect themselves and screw over the Empire by holding the world hostage is absolutely something I can see people doing.
Having the authority to sign treaties is not the same as havign the authority to raise armies. And based on how Boney has described Bretonnian culture, I suspect relying on foreign soldiers would be an affront to their principles. Calling in someone to do something you can't (like say, track down and spy on a bunch of orcs hiding in the mountains) is one thing, getting them to fulfill your duties for you, when you're perfectly capable yourself, is another.
So does everyone else, it does not mean they have nothing else to do with it. My point was that it was not unreasonable for Bretonia to give us tasks that might need an army to handle
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The issue is that Eonir books cost money if we aren't using the Library of Mournings action, which we don't want to because we have other stuff we want from Barak Varr, and we are pretty broke and already talking about buying books about the Druchii out of pocket, about whom we currently have bupkis and whom we know are a going concern. So, I'm proposing grabbing more stuff that at the very least does not cost us money.
I would really like the Fay Enchantress to kick in the door while X Gon Give It To Ya plays (ayyo where my waystones at?), but that would probably take successful Father shenanigans on top of an impressive Waystone Project track record and a successful resolution of the Iron Orcs.
What a fascinating idea, and a good reason to check out either Bugman's or the Karaz Ankor network with Thorek next turn.
Mopman43
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I'm pretty sure independent Marienburg holds the same territory that the Westerlands held?
And do you have any reason to think Westerlands didn't have a vote post-Magnus?
ok, but this is literally boney saying that if an army could solve it it would have been solved already. so the problem has to do with getting the army to where they can kill the orks. which either means they dont know exactly where they are (my guess) or they cant get to them at all (which begs the question how the orcs get anywhere.) both of these problems should be solvable relatively fast.