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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Alratan said:
You can see the implicit hypocrisy here - judging the Marienbergers for potentially cutting the flow through a Waystone Nexus for the benefit of the state while being quite happy to keep cutting the flow of the one through Athel Yenuli.
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There is a difference, the emperor would be willing to turn the Nexus back to its original purpose if that was the only way to preserve the continent from turning into the Wastes, whereas any Marianburg brinkmanship hinges on the belief that there is no alternative, that is the willingness to turn the entire Old World into the Wastes. That would not just be evil it would also be stupid on the part of the elements doing the blackmail since there is no way Marianburg itself would survive that.
 
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Alratan said:
That's an argument that cuts both ways, and doesn't suggest that the Empire's institutions, which the Marienberg government and affiliated entities were, can be relied upon to look after critical magical infrastructure.
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Marienburg was its own province with its own powers? Like the only thing it shows is that Marienburg was perfectly happy to fuck over the empire, not that the empire is suddenly willing to fuck over itself.
 
Excellent update, the few interactions and mentions we've had of luitpold gave me the impression that he is a competent leader, if hard pressed to wrangle the electors given the meet belegar attended and the circumstances that lead to him resorting to unleashing the battle wizards on sylvania. This update definitely reinforced my impression of him as not necessarily having a strong understanding of the technical details of his underling's professions but being quick on the uptake otherwise.

Nyklaus was my favourite here however, i have a soft spot for those determined to do everything in their power to do a duty even if they dont feel they're really very suited to doing it. I also liked his frank confrontation of mathilde's reasoning for sniffing around.
 
An interesting question which I don't know if we've concussed before has just occurred to me.

Are there capacity limits on leylines or Waystones nexuses?

We know that the network originally had multiple routes that energy could follow. Some of the nexuses/leylines have been blocked while the tributary network has been damaged in parallel.

Is there any risk that if we restore the tributary network we could overload the downstream leylines or nexuses when a large Storm of Magic happens, because that much energy collection requires load balancing between multiple routes to the Vortex, and those routes have been cut off?

Something to investigate, hopefully Mathilde will think of it by analogy to water flowing downstream and rivers bursting their banks.
 
DragonParadox said:
That would not just be evil it would also be stupid on the part of the elements doing the blackmail since there is no way Marianburg itself would survive that.
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I believe the argument would either be thta the threat of doing so would be enough to force the Empire to back down or that they could turn it back before thye felt the consequences, as they're further south than most of the Empire. Not to mention "this will kill us both" didn't stop the Cold War brinkmanship, so it's doubtful it would stop this either.

Tobtorp said:
Marienburg was its own province with its own powers? Like the only thing it shows is that Marienburg was perfectly happy to fuck over the empire, not that the empire is suddenly willing to fuck over itself.
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No it wasn't. Marienburg was part of the Westerland. The city itself never controlled an electoral vote AFAIK.
 
Tobtorp said:
I kinda hope we combine the bretonnia mapping with clearing out the black orc, just feels thematic and i kinda want bretonnia on our side.
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Pretty sure any clearing would be lot bigger than mapping action, assuming it is even possible without a lengthy campaign with great amount of allies.

I would support going and taking a peek though.
 
Happy Birthday! I don't know what Ranald Cults are supposed to do for such important dates, but that's probably on purpose so it all works out. How time flies...

Nice to see the Emperor again! He has a certain intensity to him that I quite enjoy.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
No it wasn't. Marienburg was part of the Westerland. The city itself never controlled an electoral vote AFAIK
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Well yes, but the rulers of the Westerland and the rulers of Marienburg were one-and-the same, at least post-Magnus. And probably pre-Magnus.

And I'm pretty sure they had a vote, Westerland was always a full province of the Empire. Even had some Emperors.
 
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Tomcost said:
I guess now there is support to finish mapping the waystones next turn.
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Mapping would take 3 actions to finish:
Boney said:
[ ] Waystone: Mapping
Specify two of: Bretonnia, Tilea, Estalia, Araby, Badlands.
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We get two in one go, and there are five left. So "finish it next turn" is unrealistic, but I would support mapping Bretonnia and Estalia. Bring Eike along, it'll be educational.

Eike: Please tell me this will be a normal field trip...
Johann, Max, Egrimm, and Adela in chorus: With the Web? NO WAY!
(The gyrocarriage has googly eyes and a grin for some reason)
 
So we uh... succesfully actually stole future Von Carstein? Big win, the man that would become Noctilus surely had to be ambitious considering the goals he had as a Vampire.
 
Valmond said:
Again, we are not going to do that in a single turn, not even if we put every available AP into it.
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Why not? Our main objective is finding the damn fortress, and doing a quick sabotage would also not take long. The objective is not to storm their place at once but to find them, and maybe (if we want) assassinate someone important or sabotage them.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I believe the argument would either be thta the threat of doing so would be enough to force the Empire to back down or that they could turn it back before thye felt the consequences, as they're further south than most of the Empire. Not to mention "this will kill us both" didn't stop the Cold War brinkmanship, so it's doubtful it would stop this either.
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We do not know how fast the transition would be or how chaos would react and neither do the Marienburgers so betting on being able to turn it back in in time seems dubious. In fact for the threat to work the change would have to come within a narrow range
  1. Too fast and the armies of chaos/mutants/ daemons sweep to the sea howling in glee at their idiocy
  2. Too slow and the Empire and the Karaz Akor take the city by storm
The threat would only be sensible if the change was fast enough as to force negotiations over combat and yet slow enough as to avoid a colapse or significant splintering of the Empire.
 
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Tobtorp said:
Why not? Our main objective is finding the damn fortress, and doing a quick sabotage would also not take long. The objective is not to storm their place at once but to find them, and maybe (if we want) assassinate someone important or sabotage them.
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Do we know that that's exactly what would be required?

I can't remember anything more specific than that they want the problem solved. I think it's counting eggs to say that that's exactly what would be required to solve the issue.
 
Tobtorp said:
Why not? Our main objective is finding the damn fortress, and doing a quick sabotage would also not take long. The objective is not to storm their place at once but to find them, and maybe (if we want) assassinate someone important or sabotage them.
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You think we are going to just "clear out" a bunch of orcs plaguing a whole province that nobody can even find, with some weird shit going on, in a one turn without major help?
No, it is not going to be that easy.
We don't know where they are, we don't know if they are, we don't know how many there are, or what kind of magical shit they got going on.
 
picklepikkl said:
Mapping would take 3 actions to finish:

We get two in one go, and there are five left. So "finish it next turn" is unrealistic, but I would support mapping Bretonnia and Estalia. Bring Eike along, it'll be educational.

Eike: Please tell me this will be a normal field trip...
Johann, Max, Egrimm, and Adela in chorus: With the Web? NO WAY!
(The gyrocarriage has googly eyes and a grin for some reason)
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I meant the Old world mostly. I agree with your priorities. Tilea we can leave for later...

I suspect Skavenblight is sucking a lot of waystone juice though
 
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Well, I'm sure the emperor will appreciate the existential dread we dropped on him. Should be fine. Nyklaus seems fun, sounds like he's highly enthusiastic if nothing else. He seems, quirky, but there's worse traits for someone to have in his position.
 
Mopman43 said:
Do we know that that's exactly what would be required?

I can't remember anything more specific than that they want the problem solved. I think it's counting eggs to say that that's exactly what would be required to solve the issue.
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We have not been told exactly what the problem is (besides "they're there") or what the definition of "done" would be. This is one of the reasons the thread has been reluctant to engage; we don't know how much of a job it would be. If it's something we think we could handle in 1 AP, I think the thread might go for it; at a higher price, we would probably balk and try Father shenanigans if we wanted to recruit Bretonnian aid. I do think taking the mapping action might help us understand the scope of the problem a bit more, though?

Tangentially:
Given the hints being dropped about the Asur coming to town, assuming they aren't our external this turn, what do people think of using one of our Barak Varr purchase slots on The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan? We already have Extensive/Extensive, so it's not perfectly efficient, but it still saves us 300gc and is a topic we have reason to believe we might need to use real soon.
 
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