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so something that bothering me is people keep saying that this is just a moderate miscast attempt nothing to freak out about and this happens relatively often to wizards.
Heretical Vision is the upgraded version of an effect on the Moderate Miscast table that gives you less insanity points and charges more for the Lore of Chaos. Notably, effects on the moderate table are about ten times more common than major miscast effects.
 
But would it be possible to purpose build a weaponized (proto?-)liminal realm as a much upscaled Pendulum effect? Pondering a Battle Altar or Tower of Eldar Death Spinner Equivalent for instance.

Not without shredding the absolute hell out of the fabric of reality every time it's turned on, which tends to be frowned upon.

So, this is a whole lot of arguing about minor dangers on either side of this whole mess, so I'm going to propose a very simple solution.

@Boney what exactly do Grey College protocols say Mathilde should do about this sort of situation? I've seen some guesses, but I can't recall a specific claim.

Basically, whatever Mathilde and ourselves decides to do for whatever reason is probably suspect no matter what, so we should just do the entirely reasonable things laid out far in advance for this, whatever they may be, and then go about our day, instead of trusting the panicked, untrained decisions that a bunch of people in another world who have never had to deal with daemons can come up with.

They don't. Having a set protocol for dealing with Tzeentchian manipulations is like having a set T-pose to go into when someone tries to stab you.

Also, does this mean that using AV to create liminal space this way may actually be safe most of the time (or as safe as casting battle magic anyway)? I guess that a) Mathilde wouldn't know and b) it might well never again be safe for her personally because the Eye of Tzeentch is upon her. But at least it means that we can introduce AV to the Colleges without being worried that someone opens Warp rifts left and right by mistake.

How safe a newly-created liminal realm is, and whether there's one rule of thumb that applies to all of them or if there's factors unique to this method specifically, is something that requires more study and experimentation before any sort of widespread rollout can be done, since it's not a capability the Colleges already have, as far as Mathilde is aware. The Colleges that exist within them were crafted by Teclis, Algard's 'paperwork dimensions' have a habit of imploding, and the Towers of Screaming Death are one person's personal idiom rather than something codified and distributed. The Collegeswould not blithely go 'sweet, extra wardrobe space' and start applying it everywhere, they'll wait until the proper testing is done and it's either proven safe under normal circumstances, or a set of proper precautions are derived.

Doesn't look like it will be long before the thread gets locked.

Drama is never inevitable, it's always a result of the decisions people make. The option always exist for people to hit backspace instead of the post reply button, and the more people treat blow-ups as inevitable, the less likely they are to reconsider contributing to them.

@Boney Are you willing to reveal what a 5 or 10 on the unwanted visitors roll would've gotten us, or is that a spoiler?

One was Apparitions and the other was Chaos Undivided gribblies.
 
I do not think we could involve Cython in any college conversations, the last time we brought it up, the last time we brought it up Boney pointed out the College has mind control scrolls that it would be more than happy to use on an Emperor dragon.
I was not talking about bringing up Cython to the colleges. I meant talking with Cython ourselves.

I was trying to help reassure those who might still be worried that there are parties that we can talk to.
 
I am not boney but I have been wanting to say my guess so my guess are 5 is that the chaos gods don't think our hat is cool so they leave us alone for now or that they straight up don't notice we did anything. Then 10 is the chaos gods think our hat is super super cool and they all agree on that which results in belkaor getting jealous/mad and he shows up as a result or they send him as envoy of there will to say we think your cool kid want to be everchosen and they all agree on that
…You know this just made me realize that the Bird made a comment about how he really likes our hat while offering us a new hat. And I gotta say, it's a pretty swanky hat.
They don't. Having a set protocol for dealing with Tzeentchian manipulations is like having a set T-pose to go into when someone tries to stab you.
Mm, then I suppose we just don't bother with it. Nobody's expecting it, and can't call her out for not telling people, so we just take what actions Mathilde needs for her mental health and move on.
 
Not saying this is definitely not the case, but I do not think Tzeench goes for rational distribution of resources so trying to anticipate him on such utilitarian grounds seems pointless. It could just be that he found it funny to mess with us, even if that means ten thousand daemons were drowned in blood while the Changer was distracted with us.

Yes that's fair, Chaos gods definitely aren't known for their rationality. Makes figuring out their goals look like a crazy persons conspiracy board covered in string. That's mostly why my gut reaction is saying "go on the offence, smash a bunch of stuff". They can't win the game if we flip the board and punch em in the face. And if their is no game, well, we punched them in the face. win-win.
 
Also, random thought, but we were wondering how the other gods might have made their Everchosen pitch. Did we consider that they wouldn't? Because honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if a Bloodthirster just straight up tried to murder Mathilde. Or just yelled obscenities in her general direction, if it didn't successfully break in.
 
Imagine in another reality, we rolled Khorne and Skarbrand in a dress suit and monocle showed up, gave us "+20 Khornian magic spellcasting", and just said nobody would believe us
 
Imagine in another reality, we rolled Khorne and Skarbrand in a dress suit and monocle showed up, gave us "+20 Khornian magic spellcasting", and just said nobody would believe us
…Honestly, that does sound like the sort of thing an Everchosen who started as a spellcaster would get from Khorne. Or at least, +20 In the presence of Khornate energies. A sort of tacit acceptance that despite using detestable magic, they use it for the right reasons.

Although now I'm considering that there might be an equivalent skill for all four gods, and oh boy that's fucking terrifying. a flat +80–or more, if they got upgraded into better versions—all the time? Jesus Christ.
 
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Also, random thought, but we were wondering how the other gods might have made their Everchosen pitch. Did we consider that they wouldn't? Because honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if a Bloodthirster just straight up tried to murder Mathilde. Or just yelled obscenities in her general direction, if it didn't successfully break in.
Imagine in another reality, we rolled Khorne and Skarbrand in a dress suit and monocle showed up, gave us "+20 Khornian magic spellcasting", and just said nobody would believe us

Mathilde has decapitated an alarmingly large number of enemy champions with an almost impractically large sword. That's like 90% of being a Khornate right there.

Also probably impressed we weaponised dwarf hell.
 
"I had a miscast, a demon appeared, it tried to tempt me by promising to make me the next Everchosen, suggested that there were other candidates who'd take on the role if I didn't, and then I banished it."

It is the 100% truth, it is a realistic interaction for a miscast to result in, and we are highly regarded and trusted by our allies. Have Kragg check out the hole in the wall in reality we made, ask Hatalath for tips on how to keep birds out of your house, and let Algard know that we had a bit of a spooky interaction with a demon, but we're fine, really, oh, and by the way this is how you make a liminal realm you're welcome.

Job done, let's move on to the next calamity already. This talking in circles is getting a mite boring.

I fully agree with this. We should lean on our support network after this traumatic experience.
 
…Honestly, that does sound like the sort of thing an Everchosen who started as a spellcaster would get from Khorne. Or at least, +20 In the presence of Khornate energies. A sort of tacit acceptance that despite using detestable magic, they use it for the right reasons.

Although now I'm considering that there might be an equivalent skill for all four gods, and oh boy that's fucking terrifying. a flat +80–or more, if they got upgraded into better versions—all the time? Jesus Christ.
damm almost makes we wish we got a 6 on the roll so chaos undivied shows up and we get that plus 20 bonus just for chaotic magic or something
 
It does seem to mostly be restricted to the Chaos God's manipulating their own energy, so it's easier for Mathilda/Chosen to wield it.

I feel like Khorne would be something akin to "Higher spellcasting dc for enemies while close to Khornate energy", aka Mathilda is put on exceptions list and isn't getting shut down or "enemy bleed more when cut while close to Khornate energy" leaning into her sword skills
 
It occurs to me that Eike and Wilhelmina should probably talk at some point, since Eike is out of the College. And that Mat should talk to her(both of them, probably) as well. About the whole EIC thing, and if our apprentice even still wants it.
One thing that could be done would be to get all the stuff the Hochlander is sending to go through Eike as well. Get her to sit in on EIC stuff, as preparation.
 
Really, to my knowledge Mathilda has drawn knowledge of Khorne through sword skills, Plotter with everything she does, Slannesh because she keeps meddling in their affair.

Everyone except Nurgle really, who's ironically the one chaos God active in Chat here :V
 
…You know, if we're talking about enchanting our Gyrocopter, I just thought of a neat use for a Liminal Realm. If we can attach one to something portable, then expanding the gyrocopter until it can hold, like, a whole lot more stuff and people would be funny.
Yeah, it needing to be fixed, say, to a flat metal plate a meter or two to the side makes it very hard to carry on yourself, but we do have a large vehicle with plenty of carrying capacity.
 
Really, to my knowledge Mathilda has drawn knowledge of Khorne through sword skills, Plotter with everything she does, Slannesh because she keeps meddling in their affair.

Everyone except Nurgle really, who's ironically the one chaos God active in Chat here :V
She did fight Khorne's champion, with some pretty decent sword skills too. And she's basically Ranald's main champion at the moment, so there's a decent chance Nurgle just heard about her from the others.
damm almost makes we wish we got a 6 on the roll so chaos undivied shows up and we get that plus 20 bonus just for chaotic magic or something
…I'm honestly worried that would have been Be'lakor.
 
Also probably impressed we weaponised dwarf hell


People keep saying this- as cool as our tower is I feel like there should be a reminder that Kragg and Gunnars weaponised dwarf hell.

Mathilde had the initial idea for the tower, and did help with the enchanting a bit iirc, but it was all the people she brought into the project (most notably Kragg and Algard) who turned it into the Eye of Gazul.

Mathilde is the only one who's fired it though, she does get to claim that title.
 
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