While that might be a good idea mechanically, the tangiblity of precious metal coinage is a novelty I don't want to abstract away. The number is how many little golden heads of Abelhelm and Roswita and ill-fated Haupt-Anderssens she has lined up in little rows inside a chest.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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While that might be a good idea mechanically, the tangiblity of precious metal coinage is a novelty I don't want to abstract away. The number is how many little golden heads of Abelhelm and Roswita and ill-fated Haupt-Anderssens she has lined up in little rows inside a chest.
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The thing is that mathilde doesn't really need to do this.
If she knows there are large expenses coming she can literally just go to the nearest karak and ask for gold. We've seen with Johann that dwarves don't mind showing appreciation with cold hard cash. And while asking for cartloads of gold doesnt look good for the vow of poverty, it should be fine if she can show its all immediately spent.
With the amount of favor she has mathilde is basically set for life (unless she wants to buy the entire of the border princes out or something equally ridiculous).
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I'd like to think the Coins are given nicknames based on their minting. Abbys and Roseys. Nobody talks about the Andys.
No. We literally got offered the Boarder Princes. That was something that was on offer due to all the favors we have accrued with the Dwarves. We would have gotten their backing to basically go in and take over.
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Yeah I remember, I was more saying if Mathilde wanted to go to each border prince and offer them gold to sell her their little fiefdoms.
A better example might be if she wanted to purchase Sylvania from the empire.
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Technically they were supporting efforts to take over the area around Mad Dog Pass and the Howling River due to its strategic position and importance for the new trade initiative the Dwarves are looking for. Offering her a position was a sign of trust no doubt but it was a matter of circumstance. I'm pretty sure the Dwarves aren't going to support a bid for the entire Border Princes. Too many resources spent for too little gain that would be easily overturned the next time a Waaagh turned up.
Uh, the vow of poverty is not designed to ensure that the Grey Wizard is poor. It is specifically designed to be vague, deceptive and inconsistent for a reason and fulfill more purposes then just that. It is how it is designed that we are able to get revenue and use it for things such as having a luxurious bathroom for example or use it for other purposes.
With how our projects spiral out of control and end up being beautiful disasters that somehow work out fine?
Slyvania...
Karak Eight Peaks...
The Waystone project...
Dollars to dimes we would have ended up with the Boarder Princes as a new part of the empire and with Branulhune as it's runefang, and Mathilda it's new elector count. The revival of Solland would happen.
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Konstantin: "Where are my damn feudal contracts?!"
Went full circle, that XD
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Ok.
Does it or does it not exist?
Do we have any obligation to abide by it, or are we going to explicitly choose against it in order to keep more money for ourselves, because we're already thinking about how to spend it and loath to give that up?
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The boon seems like the best and most honest option to me. "I owed this guy a debt equivalent to 2,000 gold crowns, he passed that debt to you, I now owe you that equivalent." If she says "I'd like the cash, please" then we give her the cash. Easy.
I doubt she actually will, because then there'd just be two options for "give her the cash" in the vote, but it extends the most possible value to a grieving widow and her family. I'm down with that.
I doubt she actually will, because then there'd just be two options for "give her the cash" in the vote, but it extends the most possible value to a grieving widow and her family. I'm down with that.
Ok so I like how Kasmir is just casually murdering fanatics. A big change from when he was Sigmar above all else. Also that is is supporting the religious council. It was interesting tid bit and I am glad to see how old friends are doing.
Nuln taking a hit like that is going to cause problems in the immediate to mid term future. I am glad all the information was copied but the lost of life will hurt engineering in the empire for a generation. Really it be the perfect opportunity to increase production in Stirland and open a school there. With a example of keeping all that knowledge in one place being a bad idea. Of course you would also make Nuln mad but they are not in any position to do anything since they have to rebuild.
Nuln taking a hit like that is going to cause problems in the immediate to mid term future. I am glad all the information was copied but the lost of life will hurt engineering in the empire for a generation. Really it be the perfect opportunity to increase production in Stirland and open a school there. With a example of keeping all that knowledge in one place being a bad idea. Of course you would also make Nuln mad but they are not in any position to do anything since they have to rebuild.
Ok then, to understand where I got my understanding of it from, here is the post of Boney"s on the Vow of Poverty when people were worried about it such as what it does and what it does not do.
Hope this helps.
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The Purser of the Grey college gave Mathilde a clear warning back in the magister days, they don't care if she acquires wealth while carrying out her duties but she shouldn't seek out wealth for its own sake. The whole analogy with the fish jumping into the boat. Committing embezzlement as a lady magister while not having any pressing need of the funds in question sounds like crossing that line to me.
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I'd be pretty cool with this
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Okay, so for the sake of this argument, we have granted that the Hochlander has been informed directly, therefore bythe simple premise of the argument it is already given that there are more ways that this information can leak than people mindreading Mathilde.
Sounds like I'm immediately correct. Seriously where those goalposts were set was ridiculous.
The correct response you should be saying is "Yes, saying that mindreading was literally the only way was a strawman, however I still think it is very unlikely that this becomes widely known."
It was not a strawman, like to even get started piecing this together you need EIC records, Chaos Dwarf records, Mathilde personal records, a list of he magical curio, interrogate Borek and Gotrek's widown and even then you have to intuit some conective tissue. We are not talking about something people can figure out be going trough records, we talking about such and endeavor I would worry someone would strumble in the Liber Mortis before they figure out this mess. It is either mind reading or Mathield giving a full account to someone else, something she won't do, otherwise it is not a realistic worry.
Like seriously if you think there is a way for someone to piece things together whitout hearing from the horse mouth please explain because I am failing to do so.
Is is not because we did not go out our way to set the EIC around here just so we had a way to pay this debt, in this case the fact that as a conseguence of folowing our duties we have a way to pay our debt and keep our money while building usefull relations making everyone happy is a fish the people want to trow back because they don't like cheating.
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To expound upon the Vow, it's also designed so that Grey Wizards don't use their incredibly-easy-to-exploit magic to generate wealth at the expense of innocent Empire citizens. This discourages people who might want to join the Greys purely to benefit from it monetarily, and lets the College understand their own members much better by who follows the vow entirely, who uses its entirely-designed loopholes, and who succumbs to the temptation for material gain early on.
IIRC it's not in any sense designed to stop people from actually getting wealth to enrich themselves. That said, I don't feel comfortable going with credit, and the boon would be taxing on our already-stretched time.
I hate to say this but we may need to compromise on getting both Cooking and Fungi books. Mostly the Windsoak mushrooms book has had bad rolls, not any sort of bad modifier or penalty. And though it's inefficient to get Druchii books via Barak Varr, we'd at least save up on wealth.
So we could go...
[] [DEBT] Pay in coin
[] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Cooking, The Druchii of Naggaroth
[] [PURCHASE] The Druchii of Naggaroth: Bretonnian, Extensive (100 gold total)
[] [DWARF] No purchase.
[] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
How's that?
IIRC it's not in any sense designed to stop people from actually getting wealth to enrich themselves. That said, I don't feel comfortable going with credit, and the boon would be taxing on our already-stretched time.
I hate to say this but we may need to compromise on getting both Cooking and Fungi books. Mostly the Windsoak mushrooms book has had bad rolls, not any sort of bad modifier or penalty. And though it's inefficient to get Druchii books via Barak Varr, we'd at least save up on wealth.
So we could go...
[] [DEBT] Pay in coin
[] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Cooking, The Druchii of Naggaroth
[] [PURCHASE] The Druchii of Naggaroth: Bretonnian, Extensive (100 gold total)
[] [DWARF] No purchase.
[] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
How's that?
I rather like the thought of giving a Boon.
It would be very interesting to see what that Boon would be used on - Gotrek's family did end up badly in canon so maybe we can prevent that.
It would be very interesting to see what that Boon would be used on - Gotrek's family did end up badly in canon so maybe we can prevent that.
I actually looked it up and I am pretty sure it would be the Elector seat of Solland, and something the Empire would have been happy to see revived since it was lost to Orkish invasion.
So it wouldn't even be a NEW elector count seat actually, but rather the resumption of one long lost by someone retaking and even expanding the edges of the old Empire.
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Why the hell would you need this?
The problem is that Mathilde is embezzling company funds to pay off a personal debt. Where she got that specific debt is not important.
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Nooo. Border princes was named Lichtenberg. Not Solland. Solland is in the interiour of the Empire.
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Ok, but we didn't swear to the reasons behind the vow or the spirit of it. We swore to the letter. And in this case, finding reasons not to give the cash we were *lent*, and spent on magical curios for ourselves, back to the person who owns the debt feels very much like it would be a failure of the test of character portion. Regardless of that intending to be aimed at journeymen.