Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Because people are misrepresenting the option as something it isn't.
'Company scrip'. My goodness.
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
The going rate for an expedition to Karag Dum to get answers is three AP with no guarantee of success. Boon is if anything a bargain, if not outright ripping off a poor widow.
And hey, maybe she really hates Iron Orcs or Druchi and we can double dip.
And hey, maybe she really hates Iron Orcs or Druchi and we can double dip.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
...That would explain that discrepancy. Hmm. Yeah, that would leave us with around 260 imperial coins.
I'd still advocate for paying in coins, though. I can't say I like the mood surrounding the current conversation.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
There should be ways to calculate how much it is worth. Wilhemina did sell share to Anton and presumably calculated and negotiated for the price. Nothing stops us doing the same.
The going rate for an expedition to Karag Dum to get answers is three AP with no guarantee of success. Boon is if anything a bargain, if not outright ripping off a poor widow.
And hey, maybe she really hates Iron Orcs or Druchi and we can double dip.
I mean what makes you think she would care about Dum? Gorek's body if that is what she wants to go for is literally hundreds of miles away.
The problem is that the costs of the Waystone project have been very large when they come up.
Credit or Boon has a bigger safety net: otherwise if a big expensive for the Waystones comes up we will have to get a loan or own a favour to someone what would want a grey wizard favour for money.
I would Rather owning a favour to a random dwarf mom then that type.
Credit or Boon has a bigger safety net: otherwise if a big expensive for the Waystones comes up we will have to get a loan or own a favour to someone what would want a grey wizard favour for money.
I would Rather owning a favour to a random dwarf mom then that type.
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- Leeds
I have never tried to argue how likely it is that the embezzelment is found out so these are kinda ridiculous arguments. I'm just clarifying pros and cons. If you don't think the con is likely to come up that is fine, I just want to make sure that everyone understands what is actually being risked.
In the words of a wise person
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However the embezzlement being found out is actually far more likely than you're presenting it to be.
Just some clerk sends a note to the board informing them that Mathildes request has been carried out would have the board raising some serious questions, or the perpetual we have managing our part of the EIC finds out about it during the investigations he's being paid to do.
Now, neither of these are the dwarves finding out directly, however arguing that the only way this can happen is mind reading is a ludicrous strawman.
I feel like people arguing for embezzlement are trying to have it both ways. This is both an investment that is likely to lead to significant returns and its to a random unimportant widow and will never be investigated.
I'm happy to nod and move on for either, but both is something of a contradiction.
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AP costs for the Project are also high and that is what boon is an indeterminate amount of AP spent on things not related to any of the dozens of things we are already interested in.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
Negotiation requires two sides. We could give Gotrek's widow the 2000 GC and then try and sell her shares in the EIC - I doubt she'd buy any, but we could give her the option - but just giving her shares in the EIC and declaring what their value is unilaterally is a blatant conflict of interests.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
If we need a ton of cash for the waystone project we can just hit up one of the karaks that owes us a boon and ask them to front the cost. Unless the money cost is truly astronomical we won't even need to go to Karak Vlag for it, and if it was that pricey we would need to spend a boon on it anyway.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Shouldn't we start getting resources as we get results? I think project will start paying or itself soon.
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
I'm taking the piss, apparently too subtly, by saying that Borek saved us at least three AP when we inevitably sought out answers and we owe a commensurate debt that mere settling of accounts with gold can not satisfy.
We will do adventures and thus get money regardless. We do an adventure every other turn.
The difference being that if we pay with a boon the adventure will be an unrelated side-quest rather than something to do with one of the major projects we have going on.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Hire a loremaster from the K8P to represent her or something. A lawyer equlent to be a natural third party.
We have very rich friends. If a big coin cost comes up and we are unable to afford it I am sure that the option to pay with CF or DF by cashing in favors to borrow large sums of money will appear as options. Both the Colleges and the dwarves are invested in us completing the waystone project.
For the Colleges getting someone to go knock on the door of the Gold College, hat in hand, isn't that hard of a favor to ask. Not to accomplish a task the Gold College wants to see done in the first place.
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- Brazil
Not realy, Wilhemina did some economic chicanery so she could sell to him extra cheap because she wanted him on the board, the actual values was a secondary at best.
Look, you have to decide if the vow of poverty means we should have large amounts of cash or not, because at this point you are arguing for both sides. We already know that trading dwarven boons for large sums of gold doesn't look good on that front.
The GM does not want to deal with complicated financial chicanery, dwarfs and negotiations and lawyers are that.
I know. It doesn't make it any less annoying, though
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- A Pit Of My Own Making
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- He/Him
Question, when we're buying stuff for the Waystone Project, could ask the Colleges to pay for it?
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
Feels like a lot of effort to go to just to force her into buying something she doesn't want to buy.
If we really want to sell 2000 gc worth of EIC stock, I suspect Roswita would be interested in buying back in now that things with Sylvania are relatively stable again.
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- Canada (eh)
[ ] [DEBT] Pay in credit
Charging personal expenses to the company credit card, a truly timeless tactic.
The other shareholders are mostly mathilde's friends and likely won't care all that much, even if they did they can just use the debt as an excuse to buy her out.
For the dwarfs, they probably won't care where the credit comes from unless the credit is removed outright after its been promised.
The real problem here is the grey college finding out and they will find out. Having a lady magister involved in pretty large scale embezzlement isn't a good look for the empire's IRS agents and creates a liability that the college will need to address. The risk of being censured by the college isn't worth a bit more liquid funds, if Mathilde needed money she can get it by cashing in dwarf favour or taking a loan from the EIC.
Charging personal expenses to the company credit card, a truly timeless tactic.
The other shareholders are mostly mathilde's friends and likely won't care all that much, even if they did they can just use the debt as an excuse to buy her out.
For the dwarfs, they probably won't care where the credit comes from unless the credit is removed outright after its been promised.
The real problem here is the grey college finding out and they will find out. Having a lady magister involved in pretty large scale embezzlement isn't a good look for the empire's IRS agents and creates a liability that the college will need to address. The risk of being censured by the college isn't worth a bit more liquid funds, if Mathilde needed money she can get it by cashing in dwarf favour or taking a loan from the EIC.
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There is no such thing as a free lunch in politics.
Even Anton is unlikely to give us a large sum without a return of some kind.
If only because it's not responsible for a baron to do so.