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To be fair, we brought one barrel of mystery meat for the party.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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We could put payment via EIC credit properly through the books without embezzlement.
Mathilde's regular payment must be a lot less than 36% of the net profits by now. Obviously the rest is being reinvested but note that the other shareholders don't have vows of poverty inducing them to keep dividends small, rather they are nobles and a merchant with the need to spend generously and display their wealth as befits their station. They should be drawing larger dividends off smaller shares. If Matty is taking a smaller proportion of her share in cash than the other shareholders (and hasn't increased her share) then she should have a very large pool of EIC credit by now. Transfer 2000 gold worth of that to the family, job done.
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The credit could be put through as a loan to her as it's spent by the family. Said loan to be paid off by a reduction in her future dividends.
Either way would be completely above board.
Mathilde's regular payment must be a lot less than 36% of the net profits by now. Obviously the rest is being reinvested but note that the other shareholders don't have vows of poverty inducing them to keep dividends small, rather they are nobles and a merchant with the need to spend generously and display their wealth as befits their station. They should be drawing larger dividends off smaller shares. If Matty is taking a smaller proportion of her share in cash than the other shareholders (and hasn't increased her share) then she should have a very large pool of EIC credit by now. Transfer 2000 gold worth of that to the family, job done.
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The credit could be put through as a loan to her as it's spent by the family. Said loan to be paid off by a reduction in her future dividends.
Either way would be completely above board.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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The land that was Solland was all absorbed into Wissenland and and I think a bit into Averland after Gorebad Ironclaw largely depopulated it about 800 years ago. In canon, the Solland Runefang was wielded by Kurt Helborg, the Reiksmarshall.
No relation to when the Empire had the Border Princes. That didn't have a Runefang, as the Runefangs were only for the 12 founding provinces.
What the Bursar said in our meeting was not a warning. It was explicitly clarified by Boney that it was not a warning to Mathilde in the quote below.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The Empire would be split probably. Wissenland would bitterly oppose it, and there'd already be some antipathy from the rest of the the ECs.
No, you are missing the plotline we could have followed.
Make the boarder princes part of the empire again -> become an EC -> Current Emperor dies -> be the compromise choice for Emperor.
Mathilda "Wait, I thought this was supposed to be an ADVISOR quest! Why am I Emperor?"
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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ECs don't want there to be any added ECs, and I would probably drop the quest if Mathilde became Empress.
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No to the Druchii. That's a full 250 of library money just wasted because the Dwarves don't have the relevant books. Switch it to something they do have, like Fungi or Athel Loren or something.
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Because that is not a problem, even Mathield only thinks the whole thing is kind of emblezement if looked in a certain way, people can't just say we told people we gave a window credit and ruin everyone, they have to build a case to put this whole thing in the worst light, and as boney sai the first step to do that is having all the details. Thinking something bad can come from just someone hearing a line of credit is making a montain of a molehill.
You are Missing The Point, we are a Grey Wizard who swore a Grey Wizard vow and have been folowing it as expected of a Grey Wizard, it is not a problem if Mathield doesn't sudenly began action as a White Wizard or something, no one has a problem with that and this isn't a test of charachter we would be failing unless we somehow decide it is sudenly is based on nothing.
As far as the vow of poverty is a test of character we passed it while emblezing funds to pay college debt, the fact that you miss this is why you fail.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Barak Varr has non-Dwarf books IIRC. They're a trading hub.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Johann got some of Belegar's favour paid to him in the form of monies. I like this idea.
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Yes, I know. The point is that this is on the KAU budget, which specifically purchases Imperial and Dwarven books up to Extensive and Esoteric, and if either culture doesn't have the relevant books, then too bad, your money's wasted. In this case, the Karaz Ankor simply does not have Druchii books. So it'd only give us E&E Imperial, which is inefficient as a KAU purchase.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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It's inefficient for books obtained, but I have to imagine it'll be an abstraction saying that the existing books were a bit more expensive or something, or it'll simply be money that won't be used period. It's not 'wasted money'. It is perhaps a wasted opportunity, but on balance we'd be saving personal money. I just think we should consider it, at least.
My take on this is that the project will be best served by doing the tributary rituals next turn, so we should get books on that. I want to get the mushroom book right but no way in hell is it a higher priority than the Waystone project. Therefore we should go for a Colleges purchase.
Uh, precisely how is Mathilde avoiding to pay the debt. The only way we are avoiding to pay it is by taking the option to explicitly avoid it. All the other options just changes the form in how the debt is paid, either in cash, in boons or credit with the EIC.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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And if you are looking for a mindfuck; would the argument go along the same lines if he had not put the prediction in to the update?
The later is her fobbing the debt off on the company she partially owns. The debt gets paid, but not by her.
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Still no. Bad idea, period.
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Yeah, but the debt is paid trought her actions, and that would't happen if she hadn't acted.
You know I think the problem is that we own the EIC and so EIC favor is unlimited, if the Credit option had even a -1 EIC favor people would be felling paying isn't paying even tough she still gets 2000 gold worth.
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I find it both mechanically and narratively dubious that we couldn't just ask Belegar, an exceptionally wealthy dwarf king who is co-located with who we owe - with whom our influence level essentially equals Yes - to forward the gold so that the debt is paid in a prompt way by transferring it to an individual we have a much more leisurely timescale to pay back.
It satisfies @Boney 's original ruling that he's not interested in writing a complex financial solution, and could avoid entering and complicating the Dwarf Favor system (which I'd make the argument for Belegar specifically should be more a matter of our relationship than him stroking his beard and wondering where Mathilde is on the Karaz Ankor's spreadsheet) entirely by simply abstracting it to a roll for whether or not Eight-Peaks and Belegar can afford it right now based on the current warp and weft of its available budget.
However, I'm only stating that for the record - it's entirely valid for Boney to simply say 'you can't, pick from what I gave you' purely for the reason of 'because I said so', let alone him wanting to actually explore the choice as a storyline.
It satisfies @Boney 's original ruling that he's not interested in writing a complex financial solution, and could avoid entering and complicating the Dwarf Favor system (which I'd make the argument for Belegar specifically should be more a matter of our relationship than him stroking his beard and wondering where Mathilde is on the Karaz Ankor's spreadsheet) entirely by simply abstracting it to a roll for whether or not Eight-Peaks and Belegar can afford it right now based on the current warp and weft of its available budget.
However, I'm only stating that for the record - it's entirely valid for Boney to simply say 'you can't, pick from what I gave you' purely for the reason of 'because I said so', let alone him wanting to actually explore the choice as a storyline.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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I give it seventy to thirty. It wasn't so unpredictable Boney had to social engineer the crap out of our reaction.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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That's the revival of Lichtenberg, thank you very much!
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Where'd you get that from? The organization post says that books can be bought from the Eonir, Bretonnia, the Empire or the Dwarfs. It's even in the section dealign with KAU:
Have I missed a Boney post on it?