Mopman43
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One of the Eonir trade options mentioned is to buy up scattered Ithilmar in the Empire and trade it to the Eonir.
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That has major "selling sand to someone living in a desert" vibes.
Like, I get why it's a thing—Ithilmar is mined in Caledor, so obviously the Eonir won't have access to it, but still, selling elf-silver to the elves is just weird.
Like, I get why it's a thing—Ithilmar is mined in Caledor, so obviously the Eonir won't have access to it, but still, selling elf-silver to the elves is just weird.
Mopman43
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It's very easy to sell sand to people living in the desert.
Desert sand isn't good for any of the uses we put sand to.
It is unfair and it isn't. For most people being a wizard is a big step up. Magisters are sort of shunned socially but they're also have almost noble status - in the employ of an Elector wizards are treated as nobles by law:
Articles of Imperial Magic said:
So basically being a wizard is like being in a really exclusive guild (and guild apprenticeships could suck a lot IRL) with decent treatment from the get go and a lot of power and privilege as one moves up the ranks. It probably isn't in any way worse than what second, third, fourth sons of lesser nobility could expect (which would be a military career) and a very clear step up from poxy peasant.
Now wealthier merchants or nobles might be uncomfortable being under pressure to pay from their own efforts so they'd use the family purse and likely receive some minor privileges (as well as less pressure).
Only very few people would have their prospects hurt by being a wizard - Crown Prince Mandred is one of them (though I'd really wish we could do something about that).
Exorbitant costs of education isn't just a modern problem. Learning a good trade could be a real pain.
deathofrats0808
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I'd forgotten about that. Not sure the thread will go for it though. It's expensive and tedious. And unlike the silk the EIC won't be involved. Plus, I don't know if Mathilde has the kind of capital required.
It is actually really easy to sell sand to people in deserts. Fracing which is used to make wells more profitable need fine sand that is finer than desert sand. There is also sand used to make glass and other things that people in a desert would like. Yeah we can make a profit and I think we should take it relatively soonish because while the thread is not interested in profit Mathilde can do a lot of things with money.
On the matter of Katarin's competence, she could have been at least somewhat competent, but by definition there is no such thing as an unbiased source on vampires so every scrap of information we have on her will be re-contextualized to take that into account. Now does that mean she necessarily was competent? No, but unless we recover her remains raise her for questioning it is hard to tell the difference.
Sir_Travelsalot
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And there's also the part where the Ithilmar's a very finite commodity, with no way for us to feasibly get more to sell once we've found all the scattered bits of it.
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Considering that the Grey Bursars deed-name is "Literally stole Ghal Maraz", that fear is entirely understandable.
Mathilde could get the EIC to buy it, then she'd personally take it into Laurelorn by Gyrocopter and sell it directly to the merchants and the smiths there. It's a good get-rich-quick-scheme, which is why we should be cautious with it, you know, considering the whole "vow of poverty" thing we're supposed to be following.
Now, regular shipments of charcoal wouldn't be a vow breaking thing, because that would be mutually strengthening the economies of both the Eonir and the Empire, and if the EIC, and by extension Mathilde, just happen to get rich from it, well, that's "of practical use" and okay by the wording of the vow.
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Speaking of charcoal, was that mentioned in-quest or is it just someones idea that went wild? Because people keep mentioning it but I remember Mathilde being kind of vague on what sort of luxuries the Eonir would like.
Mopman43
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deathofrats0808
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Eh, yes and no. There isn't a large inflow, but it sounds like there is some. The Elves sell some, as do the Norscans and the Chaos Dwarfs.
The EIC can only buy it if it's in their area of influence. Which is almostly entirely Stirland.
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Jesus, you guys are terrifyingly fast with this. Literally sixty seconds to know the answer, find the relevant chapter, and reply to my comment. Me typing this out took longer than you took to find sourced information.
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Mopman43
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It helps I had just been on that page and knew where it was.
Mopman43
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That's not 1000 per item.
It's thousands per item.
Interesting. And how quite unlike GW not to be inspired by the real world. Historically, insurance is quite ancient.
Old Rome had it, Ancient Greece too, and iirc even Mesopotamian civs (or Babylon at least) had a form of insurance as well.
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I suppose finding investors, or someone we want to enrich or empower, and telling them about the Ilthimar opportunity technically skirts the vow of poverty, but they would already have to be rich enough to take advantage of the opportunity. Who do we know is rich enough to take the chance, trusts us enough to spend all that money on only our word, and needs even more money, or influence with the Eonir? I can't think of anybody. Using Belegar or the Empress is literally just us asking for a favor to enrich ourselves, which is super out of character for Mathilde.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Eh, sort of. Insurance in the way of "a separate company insures your stuff" is much later than that though. 1300s or so. Before that it was mostly about general averages (everyone invested pays equally for lost cargo, not just the person whose cargo was lost).
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The discussion that formed the seed of BOOKBOON, as it became memetically called in the thread, took place after we got the Transcendent Boon in Waaagh Birdmuncha Part 6. I believe this post, specifically, is the one that first proposed the use of the boon to buy books, and other people took that and ran with it for a great library.
There's only 200 pages between the threadmark we got the Boon in and the next one, though, so feel free to dig through it
I took a stab at translating this a few years ago and Boney confirmed it:
I see. I have failed to recognize that there are three roots, not two, in the word; I thought "go" is just a suffix connecting the roots.
Well several Karaks have treasure vaults. Vlag would like the infusion and profit it would bring. Any dawi we know that has money and willing not to ask too many questions. Than there is the Empress who is best friends in Randal with Mathilde. Enriching her and her son would be great for the distant future when we have a wizard elector.
Also Mathilde has done a lot to enrich herself, it is one of her foibles the other grey lords overlook.
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That is actually a good idea if we can trade massive amounts of money or Ilthimar for knowledge.