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Every expansion of the echo has a direct caloric cost to maintain the extra minds that hold and repeat that information. The We value books because they can contain knowledge without requiring caloric upkeep and conscious effort to preserve. It's technically possible for the memory of the We to go all the way back to the first awakening of their race, but time, entropy, periods of starvation, and unexpected deaths from Warpstone exposure and attacks on their hive mean that the We's memories only start becoming complete and reliable after they arrived at Karak Eight Peaks. The more likely scenario is that the transfer goes the other way, that the We start recording the minutiae of their memories and storing them in the library while only preserving that which they believe to be most vital, useful, or meaningful within the echo
The We can basically expand their RAM arbitrarily with added Hunter or Weaver units just endlessly repeating specific Echoes, but it costs calories to maintain those echoes because dedicating a unit to echo without any other job is pretty wasteful
 
If you're talking about using Max, then he's not a co-writer. We don't get shared credit penalties for having him write for us, because he's seen as a mouthpiece essentially, not a contributor to the actual research. And also because he's a subordinate.
I see. So I wasn't understanding the mechanics right. :V
 
We really should spend a social on Max sometime, he's been a real big help and he doesn't get that much screen time for it.
I tried doing that last vote but was overwhelmed by everyone voting for meeting the new participants to the Project. With Tochter and Zlata being left out of the last round and the addition of Sarvoi and Aksel, I'm thinking he doesn't have a great chance this time either.
 
I tried doing that last vote but was overwhelmed by everyone voting for meeting the new participants to the Project. With Tochter and Zlata being left out of the last round and the addition of Sarvoi and Aksel, I'm thinking he doesn't have a great chance this time either.
That's probably true, yeah. Still, hopefully we can sneak him in somewhere.
 
But speaking of mushroom powerstones... I saw a video about mycelium as a plastic replacement.

If the field of mycology were much more advanced, it would actually sound reasonable to build something with the stuff.

Why Eat it when you can make powerstones of it?
 
Your talk of super mushrooms has only enflamed my desire to see Super Mario powerups in Warhammer. I think I've already established the possibility that Mario is an Elementalist. I wonder if we can hire him for a little experimentation...
I hope not, because [convoluted faux-logic chain goes here] that might undermine Mathilde's "It's not dark sorcery, it's just plumbing!" argument :p

Not that I viewed it as 100% watertight to begin with.
 
We have 5 social actions beside the locked one. What I would like to see is something like this:

[] Fallow up on the Organ vat
[] Follow up on the Salamanders

This is so that we have some idea how much CF we need to make it to that 35 for the galaxy flex with the Orbs (as a Note we can also do this next turn since it is unlikely just this will get us the full 13 CF so we would need to wait for at least the shroon book and that means we can only get to do the Orbs the turn after next)

[] Talk to Sarvoi, Zlata, Tocher and Askel in some combination
I do not think this is urgent, we do not need personal connections to everyone in the project urgently. As seen in the last turn we can work with them fine as is.

So really this could take all the actions, but it does not have to, plenty of room for Max or other interesting interactions.
 
I was thinking about the newly split We possible future had Mathilde didn't snap them up, or now more relevant to the next time one of the We decide to split.

Staying in the eight peaks and serving as another guard, assuming there is a gap in the current We hunting ground, is a possibility, but one of the possible future the thread saw is every Karak possibly having their friendly neighborhood spider mind, and in that regard there is one candidate above all others.

Karak Azul, between being depend on K8P, having the majority of their fighting force reside for some time in K8P and thus being exposed to the We. And having a King who both want to drag his Karak out of their imposed isolation and was separated from the Karaz Ankor enough that he would not be a part of any major conservatize force. Also having something to help guard their new connection to the wider world would be a nice contrast with all the gribbles they are familiar with.

Karak Vlag might also be a possibility, through they need a few decades to stop itching for the trigger at the concept of anything unfamiliar, having the We come with the implicit recommendation of Mathilde would also go a long way.

In non dwarves news, Nuln might be desperate enough to be willing to take the chance, and the Amber brotherhood might be interesting in cultivating ties to a possible newly ascending Sapient species.
 
We have 5 social actions beside the locked one. What I would like to see is something like this:

[] Fallow up on the Organ vat
[] Follow up on the Salamanders

This is so that we have some idea how much CF we need to make it to that 35 for the galaxy flex with the Orbs (as a Note we can also do this next turn since it is unlikely just this will get us the full 13 CF so we would need to wait for at least the shroon book and that means we can only get to do the Orbs the turn after next)

[] Talk to Sarvoi, Zlata, Tocher and Askel in some combination
I do not think this is urgent, we do not need personal connections to everyone in the project urgently. As seen in the last turn we can work with them fine as is.

So really this could take all the actions, but it does not have to, plenty of room for Max or other interesting interactions.
Personally, I'm not in a hurry to get all that CF that quickly. The Orbs of Sorcery are exciting, but we don't need to make them by next turn. And if we want to do the AV book + Orbs maximum overflex, well, we don't know for sure if we aren't about to unlock new AV research options, which would delay the AV book anyway.

Personally, I feel more immediacy with getting to know our fellow Project members. Even putting practicality aside, I feel like knowing them better would make it easier to be invested in our interactions with them.
 
I was thinking about the newly split We possible future had Mathilde didn't snap them up, or now more relevant to the next time one of the We decide to split.

Staying in the eight peaks and serving as another guard, assuming there is a gap in the current We hunting ground, is a possibility, but one of the possible future the thread saw is every Karak possibly having their friendly neighborhood spider mind, and in that regard there is one candidate above all others.

Karak Azul, between being depend on K8P, having the majority of their fighting force reside for some time in K8P and thus being exposed to the We. And having a King who both want to drag his Karak out of their imposed isolation and was separated from the Karaz Ankor enough that he would not be a part of any major conservatize force. Also having something to help guard their new connection to the wider world would be a nice contrast with all the gribbles they are familiar with.

Karak Vlag might also be a possibility, through they need a few decades to stop itching for the trigger at the concept of anything unfamiliar, having the We come with the implicit recommendation of Mathilde would also go a long way.

In non dwarves news, Nuln might be desperate enough to be willing to take the chance, and the Amber brotherhood might be interesting in cultivating ties to a possible newly ascending Sapient species.
You known what would be a pro-move? Using the We to settle captured sections of the Under Empire.
Human's can't really live down there, no enough dwarfs.
The We could just take over those spaces and trade with the surface
I mean I doubt the Skaven will like it, but fuck'em.
 
Personally, I'm not in a hurry to get all that CF that quickly. The Orbs of Sorcery are exciting, but we don't need to make them by next turn. And if we want to do the AV book + Orbs maximum overflex, well, we don't know for sure if we aren't about to unlock new AV research options, which would delay the AV book anyway.

I mean we literally can't make them next turn unless one thinks that half the vat cost and left over lizard favor is worth 13 CF (which I think is rally unlikely) so the point is rather moot.
 
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Hmm, of the current Project members I would like to speak to Askel. Especially on the turn with Father coin, if that affects social turns. Don't really have strong opinions about others, though I still think that we should talk to each at least once. Not all in the same turn perhaps.
 
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That is kind of a good point on the CF for the orbs of sorcery. Their are things I would like to do like find out when the dawi are attacking the silver hold. So we can plan how much AV to give them. Or talk to Gretel since she is maybe a princess now. There is also doing the power stone class and seeing how enchanting with Av goes. Maybe make a serviscope to look at the reaction to AV on power stone.

Also we still need to do apprentice classes which is gold or CF for it. And Getting a Celestial Mage for book mining.
 
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That is kind of a good point on the CF for the orbs of sorcery. Their are things I would like to do like find out when the dawi are attacking the silver hold. So we can plan how much AV to give them. Or talk to Gretel since she is maybe a princess now. There is also doing the power stone class and seeing how enchanting with Av goes. Maybe make a serviscope to look at the reaction to AV on power stone.

Boney said they had kept back some of the AV we already gave them for the expedition so I think we are fine on that.
 
Personally, I feel more immediacy with getting to know our fellow Project members. Even putting practicality aside, I feel like knowing them better would make it easier to be invested in our interactions with them.
Yeah, that. And sure flexing is good, but I'd rather learn more about our fellow contributors, especially the hedgewise. We still have the Father on, so it's a good opportunity to deepen our relationship with him.
 
You known what would be a pro-move? Using the We to settle captured sections of the Under Empire.
Human's can't really live down there, no enough dwarfs.
The We could just take over those spaces and trade with the surface
I mean I doubt the Skaven will like it, but fuck'em.
The Empire could use them as a weapon against the Skaven without breaking the conspiracy of silence, the downside is there is a reason we know of the Skaven and not the We, they aren't strong enough to be a valid contender for the Skaven, and the Empire directly helping would break the conspiracy.

The problem is that the spiders aren't really enough to tip the scale of a possible conflict, not in their current state. a few decades down the line with human/dawi knowledge and possibly tool making abilities on the other hand...
 
You known what would be a pro-move? Using the We to settle captured sections of the Under Empire.
Human's can't really live down there, no enough dwarfs.
The We could just take over those spaces and trade with the surface
I mean I doubt the Skaven will like it, but fuck'em.
Yeah, I was just thinking that after how badly the last foray into the underdark went for the empire's troops, a horde of friendly spiders colonizing the undersides of the empire's cities to devour any skaven that come near sounds like a good time.
 
Hmm, of the current Project members I would like to speak to Askel. Especially on the turn with Father coin, if that affects social turns. Don't really have strong opinions about others, though I still think that we should talk to each at least once. Not all in the same turn perhaps.

I don't think the father works on a social turn—none of the other faces would, and it seems kinda abusable.

I agree that I would like to talk to Askel this turn though—he seems really interesting and has a lot of secrets he's willing to share.
 
I don't think the Father works in social turns, those are not supposed to be mechanically relevant so I imagine even such squishy bonuses as the Father take a backseat during them.
While there would be no gameplay-wise bonus, it just could be more more interesting and open conversation.

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I don't think the father works on a social turn—none of the other faces would, and it seems kinda abusable.
I didn't mean it as "lets abuse Father to get more Hegewise secrets", just that it would surely change a tone of conversation.
 
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Boney said they had kept back some of the AV we already gave them for the expedition so I think we are fine on that.
He also said that a major campaign would accelerate the rate of it being used. The fact most holds would use 1 Av every 4 years give or take they would normally be set for the next 20 years give or take. But attacking a hold filled with Orks and goblins will have several major battles. The last time the dawi tried to retake the hold Vampires also got involved screwing over the dawi.
 
I mean we literally can't make them next turn unless one thinks that half the vat cost and left over lizard favor is worth 13 CF (which I think is rally unlikely) so the point is rather moot.
Well, Boney mentioned that there's the option of going up to the Colleges, explaining the situation and borrowing eight powerstones to see if it works, but we can't flex by doing that, so there's a negative chance of that getting voted for.
 
I don't think the Father works in social turns, those are not supposed to be mechanically relevant so I imagine even such squishy bonuses as the Father take a backseat during them.
I don't think the father works on a social turn—none of the other faces would, and it seems kinda abusable.
Boney hasn't said that it doesn't work, just that he wouldn't allow us to use social turns to investigate possibilities for the Father. If we've got it up, I don't see why it wouldn't affect someone we already know is subject to its influence.
Social action votes are supposed to be based on what people would subjectively enjoy reading, and allowing it to be used to investigate something like this would set a precedent too far into a grey area for my liking.
He's also made encouraging noises about chatting up Aksel with the Father:
@Boney, can we grill Aksel on Halétha? The Nordland Hedgefolk aren't a mystery cult (right?) so he should be willing to give us details even without the Father, and with the Father active I imagine he'll be even more forthcoming.
This will probably be a social action possibility.
So I think it's likely to work.
He also said that a major campaign would accelerate the rate of it being used. The fact most holds would use 1 Av every 4 years give or take they would normally be set for the next 20 years give or take. But attacking a hold filled with Orks and goblins will have several major battles. The last time the dawi tried to retake the hold Vampires also got involved screwing over the dawi.
Yes, but he specifically confirmed that the dwarves have plenty of reserves and they weren't even committing all of the reserves for the Silver Road Wars.
Some has been used in the constant skirmishes of Dwarven life, but most of it remains and a fair bit is being earmarked for the upcoming reboot of the Silver Road Wars.
So I think their supply is totally fine for the time being and we don't need to worry.
Well, Boney mentioned that there's the option of going up to the Colleges, explaining the situation and borrowing eight powerstones to see if it works, but we can't flex by doing that, so there's a negative chance of that getting voted for.
Seven, we've still got the Crystal Mist.
 
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He also said that a major campaign would accelerate the rate of it being used. The fact most holds would use 1 Av every 4 years give or take they would normally be set for the next 20 years give or take. But attacking a hold filled with Orks and goblins will have several major battles. The last time the dawi tried to retake the hold Vampires also got involved screwing over the dawi.
Are you sure Vampires got involved with the Silver Road wars?
 
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