Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Clearly, Soizic was going to tell Sharlotta that Thorek was Kragg and tell her to go up to him and introduce herself. The perfect crimeHistorical royal wedding or no, I doubt Kragg was there.
And even more so, I don't think Soizic would think introducing a Damsel was a good idea.
He tends to be rather rude
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Works both ways.Clearly, Soizic was going to tell Sharlotta that Thorek was Kragg and tell her to go up to him and introduce herself. The perfect crime
Calling Thorek Kragg would be just as lethal as calling Kragg Thorek.
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This does in fact feel like an event he'd attend. We know from one of our earliest social actions with him that he cares about the Old Holds and the wellbeing thereof, and this is the wedding between the crown prince of one Old Hold and a princess of another, held within the reclaimed Old Hold that was once the jewel of the Karaz Ankor. I expect he was scowling in a corner and did not stick around, but I do expect he showed up.
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I think he was just overlooking it, the same way he did when we were talking to him about Branulhune performance.
He is not much for all the new weird stuff surrounding all of this nonsense, but looking at the brightening future does seem to be something he likes to do from a safe distance where noone can see him being sappy.
Which reminds me that we should chat him up, i don't think we did so since the whole pulling out Karak Vlag outta warp business.
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By the way, I've been trying to figure out everyone who voted for involvement with the outside world in Laurelorn's Council. So far, this is my working theory:
There's one House that voted for outside connection that we don't know of yet.
13 people voted for us when Malforric had one vote, and 12 people voted for us when Malforric had two votes. This means that we have 13 who voted for us. The Wards of Rain, Storm and Frost as well as House Fanpatar voted for outside involvement, and so did House Ellemakl. That's 5 votes.
We know Fanpatar and Ellemakil voted, and Tindomiel I'm pretty sure voted for connection. Echtelion hate humans, but from the phrasing here it seems they voted for outside contact? That would raise it to 7 votes.
Miriel didn't vote for connection. Mardil I'm pretty sure voted for connection for trading reasons and they came to greet Thorek. Filuan seem to be Queen loyalists, so they likely voted for connection. That's 9 votes.
Three Mathlann aligned houses voted for outside contact. That's 12 houses. Mardil, Filuan, Tindomiel, Echtelion, Ellemakil, Fanpatar, Three Mathlann Houses, Rain, Frost, and Storm.
There's one House that voted for outside connection that we don't know of yet.
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I am convinced.
Kragg was watching the wedding with a Runic Telescope (that can see through rock) from his workshop.
And drinking a beer with Bok, wishing the couple a happy future.
Safely away from happy people, he could grumble to his heart's content about shoddy runesmiths without getting lynched.
Kragg was watching the wedding with a Runic Telescope (that can see through rock) from his workshop.
And drinking a beer with Bok, wishing the couple a happy future.
Safely away from happy people, he could grumble to his heart's content about shoddy runesmiths without getting lynched.
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Also, I've updated Governance of Laurelorn to include WoB of a particular topic that people might have missed, and I linked the relevant posts to those who want to see it firsthand:
The gods are Lileath, Morai-Heg, Kurnous, Khaine, Anath Raema, Drakira, Addaioth, Hukon, Estreuth, Ellinill, Loec and Eldrazor.
Of these, Morai-Heg is in Laurelorn's Inner Circle of their Mandela, which implies they venerate her greatly:
My guess on abandoned gods is on Elinill and his children, Mathlann excluded. Nobody likes them, except Drakira sometimes. I also find Anath Raema doubtful. She's just a cruel Kurnous, and I have some doubts about Laurelorn venerating her.
EDIT: IMPORTANT NOTE. I missed that House Mardil's god was never stated. I don't know how I missed that. Which god would a trading house choose? Elves don't exactly have mercantile gods.
Currently, there are seven houses whose gods we don't know of. Excluding Nethu and Ereth Khial, both of whom have no Major Houses cover them and are soon to be kicked out, that leaves 12 gods for seven houses.
The gods are Lileath, Morai-Heg, Kurnous, Khaine, Anath Raema, Drakira, Addaioth, Hukon, Estreuth, Ellinill, Loec and Eldrazor.
Of these, Morai-Heg is in Laurelorn's Inner Circle of their Mandela, which implies they venerate her greatly:
So either some of the Major Houses dominate more than one God, which I find somewhat doubtful because it upsets the balance of power, or there are Gods that aren't covered by the Major Houses that aren't Nethu or Ereth Khial.
My guess on abandoned gods is on Elinill and his children, Mathlann excluded. Nobody likes them, except Drakira sometimes. I also find Anath Raema doubtful. She's just a cruel Kurnous, and I have some doubts about Laurelorn venerating her.
EDIT: IMPORTANT NOTE. I missed that House Mardil's god was never stated. I don't know how I missed that. Which god would a trading house choose? Elves don't exactly have mercantile gods.
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I mean...
Objectively, Mathilde isn't much less special and amazing, if we only try to assess her from a wiki like list of stuff she has done.
Brilliant tactician, brilliant diplomat, killed half a million orcs, blessed by Ranald, created a Battlemagic spell, has a Runic sword and belt made by the greatest runesmith, decoded Queekish, retrieved two Dwarf holds (didn't really do it alone, but you know it'd seem like that in the wikis... this clarification goes to most of my list but I put it here because here was the most obvious), best friends with a Dawi King and friends with and elector count, oh, and she killed Drycha (its my understanding that killing a character who can come back from said death is a rite of passage for badasses to establish their credentials on WH)
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Don't forget leveling Castle Drakenhof to the ground. Sure, there were no notable vampires there at the time, but still!
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But Mathilde is ridiculous, if Boney wasn´t rolling I´d long since called nonsense on some of those events.
Getting insanely lucky happens, but by hand of an author its a decision, which makes it feel trite. That´s why dice make for such a fun narrative, the silliest stuff can happen and no one feels their suspension of disbelieve breaking as long as the success/fail values where fair.
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I think it's kinda inevitable that if a narrative continues to follow a character, they're going to do a larger number of things, and those things will tend to get more impressive with time.
Honestly, not sure how you'd go about avoiding that, apart from, well, ending the narrative.
Honestly, not sure how you'd go about avoiding that, apart from, well, ending the narrative.
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No powercreep. Make it distinct stories, and some are more high scale and some more low scale.
I´ve read stories that made me care more about one child than I did about the entirety worlds some other authors have put at stake.
Big explosions are tempting, and certainly cool, but small scale stuff can be just as effective, if not more, depending on the story.
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My point is, many a good characters of stories that are considered not trite or silly have insane achievements like that, especially in long running stories with a single mc and especially if you wiki list their achievement divorced from everything else.
And also, many a historical personages as well, so its not even unrealistic.
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So Isha is in the centre.
Asuryan, Hoeth, Hekarti, Atharti, Vaul, Mathlann, and Morai-heg are on the inner circle.
Loec, Kurnous, Ladrielle, Lileath, Addaioth, Anath Raema, Drakira, Eldrazor, Ellinill, Ereth Khial, Estreuth, Hukon, Khaine, and Nethu on the outer circle, with Ulric to be added as soon as they can work out who they can kick out.
Bolded are known to have Major Houses covering them.
Note that the Wiki mentions a few other minor gods who are not in the mandala; most notable of which is Sarriel, an elven god of dreams who is "adored in the Laurelorn forest" (from the Tome of Salvation).
I think I remember Boney saying that Loec worship in Laurelorn was decentralised or something like that? I think it was in response to a question about whether Mathilde can visit a Loec temple?
Assuming Morai-heg has a Major House, that means six outer gods have Houses. My guesses would be Kurnous, Lileath, Khaine, Eldrazor at the very least.
Asuryan, Hoeth, Hekarti, Atharti, Vaul, Mathlann, and Morai-heg are on the inner circle.
Loec, Kurnous, Ladrielle, Lileath, Addaioth, Anath Raema, Drakira, Eldrazor, Ellinill, Ereth Khial, Estreuth, Hukon, Khaine, and Nethu on the outer circle, with Ulric to be added as soon as they can work out who they can kick out.
Bolded are known to have Major Houses covering them.
Note that the Wiki mentions a few other minor gods who are not in the mandala; most notable of which is Sarriel, an elven god of dreams who is "adored in the Laurelorn forest" (from the Tome of Salvation).
I think I remember Boney saying that Loec worship in Laurelorn was decentralised or something like that? I think it was in response to a question about whether Mathilde can visit a Loec temple?
Assuming Morai-heg has a Major House, that means six outer gods have Houses. My guesses would be Kurnous, Lileath, Khaine, Eldrazor at the very least.
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I hate to be the one that brings it up, because damn is it predictable, but when you say that the first person that comes to mind is Taylor from Worm. The girl who controls bugs who eventually killed a god. Makes it sound pretty ridiculous when you say it like that.
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Yeah, there is a reason characters like her, or Harry Dresden, or Catherine Foundling are such memetic badasses in and out of universe while not thinking of themselves as being all that hot generally.
They know how much luck, effort and help from other people went into their achievements, and that, even though they are genuinely competent, they are not all that. By contrast, most enemies and many readers only get a wiki list.
Heck, the difference between well written Batman and Batgod is whether the writer understands that. If they don't, they write batman as stupidly powerful. If they do, you have a good batman story.
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I have a question. Does a table like this help people? Should I add it to my informational post?
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| Name | Origin | God | Position | Purpose | Notes |
| Tindomiel | Saphery | Hekarti | Internationalist | Magic House | Most enthusiastic about Waystone Project |
| Thyriolan | Saphery | Hoeth | Isolationist | Magic House | Consider Waystones important. Against human involvement. |
| Echtelion | Saphery | Hoeth | Internationalist | Magic House | Look down upon humanity |
| Miriel | Nagarythe | Vaul | Isolationist | Crafters | Control the Vaul Priesthood, giving them a hold over high level crafting. Interested in Dwarf craft. Afraid of competition. |
| Mardil | ??? | ??? | Internationalist | Traders | Interested in Dwarf craft. |
| Filuan | Avelorn | Isha | Internationalist | ??? | Possible Queen loyalists. |
| Fanpatar | Yvresse | Ladrielle | Internationalist | Ward of Rain | In charge of swamps, practical. Connection to Middenland. Two votes |
| Malforric | ??? | Asuryan | Isolationist | Ward of Sun | Two votes. Control the Festival of Games. Influence the Champion. Most isolationist house. Second to the Queen in power. |
| Maeglin | ??? | Atharti | ??? | Pleasure? | They have a house of pleasure named Ladroi Nastir. |
| Mathlann 1 | ??? | Mathlann | Internationalist | Boatbuilders | |
| Mathlann 2 | ??? | Mathlann | Internationalist | ??? | |
| Mathlann 3 | ??? | Mathlann | Internationalist | ??? | |
| Ellemakil | Avelorn | Ulric | Internationalist | ??? | Most enthusiastic about Ulric. Convinced by the Queen to vote for outside involvement. |
| Elwynn | ??? | Asuryan | Isolationist | Ward of Frost | Dead with Vicarius Lindalioc and his family in the Battle of the Schadensumpf. Used to rule Kor Immamor. Previously vied for control over Asuryan's worship against Malforric. |
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You need to look up "Negative Ions", Amazon used to sell tons of radioactive crap as jewelry and accessories.
Also in AoS, if you accept that.
They do, it's been noted that older Halflings tend to move around more by rolling than walking.
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AoS Goblins are actually amazing. They did a really good job with them. Not only are they wacky and fun, but they can also be very creepy and scary. They also have an independent identity away from Orcs, which I think is actually a good thing.
Also, I just straight up love the Gobbapalooza. They're great.
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I'm mostly familiar with Catherine, but some of the chapters I found the funniest were those where we see her through the eyes of her enemies and common soldiers. Outwardly she looks like an unstoppable juggernaut and a master manipulator, while we see in her pov's that in reality she's bluffing and barely scraping by.
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This is fantastic and yes, by all means, add it to your informational post.
I actually made a similar table back when we first entered Laurelorn—however, mine is vastly out of date, and yours is more detailed. Absolutely add it to the info post.
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Carcassonne's sigil is a sword. The Fleur de Lis is of Mousillon.
It's interesting but you're missing 7 Major Houses.
Not as evidence for stuff being true in WHFB.