Yes, I know. I still find it kinda funny that you can buy radioactive materials. I get that it's not actually strong enough to hurt anyone, but it just amuses me that it is a thing you can get.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yes, I know. I still find it kinda funny that you can buy radioactive materials. I get that it's not actually strong enough to hurt anyone, but it just amuses me that it is a thing you can get.
You can justify random individual Halflings not knowing what warpstone is, but for this lore to work, it requires that in the past five hundred years not a single Halfling has ever heard that warpstone is dangerous. Despite possessing it being punishable by death in the Empire. Despite it badly hurting anyone that touches it. Despite it regularly falling from the sky and turning wherever it lands into a corrupted wasteland. Despite the Halflings living right next to Sylvania. This requires Halflings to be so astoundingly unable to learn incredibly basic things about the world around them that it becomes ridiculous for them to be capable of self-governing.
I think that if for some reason one wanted to integrate this lore you could make it be something that Old Man Bumblefoot did fifty years ago and then it got out and into the rumor mill and now it is a thing that (racist) humans think all halflings do. Or it could just be the latter with no inciting incident bar humans knowing that halflings are resistant to corruption.
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Well I mean. Whether you consider how the Moot conducts itself as governance or just 'existing amiably in a congealed blob of halflings that viciously stabs anything that tries to harsh it's vibe' is a question all of it's own.
Burned_Cookie
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Isn't Morrsleib also an actual deity/person/ aetherial being on top of being a giant föoating warpstone? For all we know Morr and Morrsleib are dating and the Empire is very pointedly not talking about it due to said warpstone bombardments beyond the name from way back when that stuck.
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Is your argument that Moot is a complete anarchy with no rules or order, y et somehow still manages to act as an empires breadbasket and pay its taxes?
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Morrslieb was worshipped by the Nehekharans as the Goddess Sahkmet (think I got the name right) and in-quest by the Kurgans.Isn't Morrsleib also an actual deity/person/ aetherial being on top of being a giant föoating warpstone? For all we know Morr and Morrsleib are dating and the Empire is very pointedly not talking about it due to said warpstone bombardments beyond the name from way back when that stuck.
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Burned_Cookie
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They can date two people. Who's gonna stop them.
Kurgans too, huh? Interesting.
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Not for certain. The ancient Nehekharans portray Sakhmet as the Goddess of the Green Moon, Cython theorises that Sakhmet is an alternate version of Ereth Khial, and the Kurgan certainly worship the two moons. Goblins worship Da Bad Moon, which might be Morrisleb, but I personally believe they worship it as an aspect of Mork the God of Cunning. The Skaven also venerate Morrisleb and base some of their rituals on its phases. Gehemnisnacht is actually known to them as Vermintide, where they perform rituals to the Horned Rat.
Overall, there are many conflicting cases of individual religions in relation to Morrisleb, but in general, I'm still not sure if Morrisleb is its own actual entity or if it's simply people sticking their own gods onto the moon as a representation. It's complicated.
Yeah, the Kurgans had their weird, 1 sun, 2 moons, 4 chaos gods, 8 winds worship system in quest, with each of their shamans being dedicated to one of those 15 things.
Notably, Da Bad Moon is often depicted as yellow, not green, which is kinda weird.
Burned_Cookie
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None of that is a direct counterproof that Morr isn't dateing Morrsleib, so that's enough for me to start shipping!
So your response to me saying that this lore requires Halflings to be incredibly dumb is to confirm that you think Halflings really are that dumb?
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Whether the Bad Moon is a god the Goblins actually worship is somewhat debateable too. AFAIK, it's only mentioned in two places, the Curse of da Bad Moon spell and the Bad Moon Banner. However, if it is worshipped, it is likely Mannslieb, seeing as it is always noted as being pale or yellow. It is worth noting that the Orcs and Goblins have a whole host of gods. Gork and Mork are most prominent among them and the pantheon varies by tribe, but the other notable one is the Spider-god the Goblins often worship. The Bad Moon could very easily be among these gods.
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I don't know about the WHF canon, but in DL canon halflings have been pretty consistently presented as clever, aware of subtleties, and wise to the necessity of long-term planning. I strongly encourage rereading our meeting with Titus during the march to K8P and our social action with Hluodwica a few turns back.
Maybe that's just a function of "which halflings are the sorts who would show up to the siege of Drakenhof or the reclamation of Karak Eight Peaks" and the ones who stay in the Moot and don't join the Fieldwardens are built different, but that seems unlikely to me.
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Sir_Travelsalot
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And then, just to add to the confusion, you have Be'lakor's claim of Morrslieb having originally been his planetoid-sized private fiefdom back when he was in the favour of all four Chaos Gods.
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No, more that there is no actual formalised order of any kind but that required to directly interface with the Empire and even that is be much more casual than any human peasant could conceive of as anything but utopian bliss reserved solely for those perish beloved of Sigmar. What is described is not even close to being recognisable to someone born and raised in feudalism - to the average Old World human (as referenced in that wiki using 4e I posted earlier) the Moot actually looks like anarchy without law.
That was supposed to be a joke but I guess it didn't land.
But either way, I think of the halflings as simple not dumb. Simple as in their one defining Old-Ones-instilled personality trait, like Ogres are Hungry, Elves are Full Of Themselves, Dawi are Stubborn and Humans are Dumbasses. Keep It Simple Stupid incarnated as an entire race of content, bucolic rapscallions. I've mostly been seeing them used as satires of Tolkien's hobbit in canon WHF sources, not so serious, almost utterly divorced from the 'grittiness' of the Old World. The Moot seems truly blessed.
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They have a mafia and the Moot has canonically been razed at least three times.
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Don't halflings in warhammer canonically operate organized crime focusing on bakery protection rackets?
Like, you seem to be imagining this pastoral idyl that has never exist, and can't exist.
They need to organize the harvest, they need to organize getting fertilizers, they need to organize sowing, organize dealing with waste, contracts with merchants, paying of taxes, etc...
And also following of imperial laws, like not having warp stone, which, as confirmed by Boney, is punishable by death.
How, easy, do you think running the empire's bread basket is?
Like, you seem to be imagining this pastoral idyl that has never exist, and can't exist.
They need to organize the harvest, they need to organize getting fertilizers, they need to organize sowing, organize dealing with waste, contracts with merchants, paying of taxes, etc...
And also following of imperial laws, like not having warp stone, which, as confirmed by Boney, is punishable by death.
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Their organised crime is a bit more widespread than that. Basically, if a particular job doesn't have Halflings, the Quinsberry Lodge will fight to get halflings in it. Even if it means blackmail, slander, libel and threats. Their purpose is to ensure that Halflings are treated equally to humans and that they prosper as a people, and they will do anything to make sure that happens.
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That's a nicer set of goals than most Mafias, so either their PR is great or they have suprisingly lofty morals, methods aside.
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This is the Old World. 'Organised crime and the place has only burned down three times' sounds like great real estate to someone outside of a major city. /jk
That's actually the thing. Halflings do not make sense. They're sub-par satires of Tolkien's depiction of that pastoral idyl. They are insanely prosperous, somehow farm with little to no real effort and somehow remain internally coherent without strict laws or even jails. According at least to 4e, no Imperial excisemen bother making sure the halflings are paying the full taxes, and the strictest punishment any halfling can receive for harming another halfling from the Elders is exile.
Also, uh. I have a headcanon for two of those things. If halflings are meant to the be the food-producers that keep the Ogres fed by Old One design, then it would make some sense for them to produce uh, copious fertilizer. All that food has to go somewhere and they eat so much that if they're actually absorbing it all they'd be round. So it's more likely that they are fermenting what they eat and then just dumping the waste onto the fields.