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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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There is a major thing I missed in my speculation. Tindomiel is only one of two houses that dominate Hekarti worship:
Boney said:
Major House Tindomiel: Originally from Saphery, and one of the two Major Houses influential in the Temple of... Hekarti?
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This means there are only 6 houses to cover the 12 remaining gods, rather than 7. (EDIT: Actually it's still 7, since Mardil's god is unknown)
deathofrats0808 said:
It's interesting but you're missing 7 Major Houses.
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I didn't include them because we don't have a single fact about them. They would be filling up slots with ??? everywhere, which I decided was perhaps too aesethetically unpleasing. I did include another house just now:
Codex said:
Hekarti 2???Hekarti??????One of two houses dominating Hekarti worship
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Not much, but we know one thing about them. Mathilde didn't even account for them in the Laurelorn update, so there must be a reason she mentioned Tindomiel, Echtelion and Thyriolan but not this house.
 
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Codex said:
There is a major thing I missed in my speculation. Tindomiel is only one of two houses that dominate Hekarti worship:

This means there are only 6 houses to cover the 12 remaining gods, rather than 7. (EDIT: Actually it's still 7, since Mardil's god is unknown)

I didn't include them because we don't have a single fact about them. They would be filling up slots with ??? everywhere, which I decided was perhaps too aesethetically unpleasing. I did include another house just now:

Not much, but we know one thing about them. Mathilde didn't even account for them in the Laurelorn update, so there must be a reason she mentioned Tindomiel, Echtelion and Thyriolan but not this house.
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Ah, fair enough. Also, is it not possible that Mardil is one of the Mathlann Houses?
 
We should try and fit in some actions interacting with the major houses over the next few turns. We're a Grey Wizard doing diplomacy things and we've barely skimmed the surface of cityborn politics.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
We should try and fit in some actions interacting with the major houses over the next few turns. We're a Grey Wizard doing diplomacy things and we've barely skimmed the surface of cityborn politics.
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I mean we may be a Grey, but we do not really do traditional politics. Mathilde is a learning/intrigue build when it comes to interacting with others and even as her diplo score has gone up it has a learning flavor to it. Also from a meta perspective we are not good at subtle politics because that requires patience and careful maneuvering. We tend to play more into a 'I saved your life/reclaimed the treasures of your ancestors now give reward' mold.
 
@Codex , loved the way you wrote Soizic! And especially liked the nods you gave towards my stuff- is it ok if I just assume this is how the conversation went and write Soizic's reflections on it in her journals?

Particularly the 'suddenly second-guessed herself' right before asking the serious questions. This fits wonderfully.

And for title suggestions...
"A Ladylike Conversation"?
"A Certain Lack of Distress"?
"The Time Soizic Almost Confessed"?
 
Glau said:
@Codex , loved the way you wrote Soizic! And especially liked the nods you gave towards my stuff- is it ok if I just assume this is how the conversation went and write Soizic's reflections on it in her journals?

Particularly the 'suddenly second-guessed herself' right before asking the serious questions. This fits wonderfully.

And for title suggestions...
"A Ladylike Conversation"?
"A Certain Lack of Distress"?
"The Time Soizic Almost Confessed"?
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Feel free to do so. I very much had you in mind when writing it ❤️

I think I'll choose A Certain Lack of Distress. It appeals to me. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
DragonParadox said:
I mean we may be a Grey, but we do not really do traditional politics. Mathilde is a learning/intrigue build when it comes to interacting with others and even as her diplo score has gone up it has a learning flavor to it. Also from a meta perspective we are not good at subtle politics because that requires patience and careful maneuvering. We tend to play more into a 'I saved your life/reclaimed the treasures of your ancestors now give reward' mold.
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True, and there's also the fact that, strictly speaking, we are not here as an ambassador, but as the head of an international research project, but hobnobbing with the nobles still falls within our domain, so we should try to do a little bit of it.

Obviously not to the exclusion or detriment of the waystone project, but considering we're here at the council's sufferance, I'd like to know the who's who of local politics at the very least.
 
TreP said:
My few bits about current situation:
I don't like using Gambler for Foundation. In my opinion, Gambler is "Here is some luck you crucially need for this one important action" rather than "Here, let me buff your success rate for anything you want". And I just can't imagine "Lay the foundation" as a single action. Several days of heated discussions? Sure. But again, I just can't see how two lucky nudges can be a decisive factor here. And if somehow Gambler is that important to use, then Mathilde is basically locked into it for the whole Project.
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This is a really good point.

[x] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP
- [x] One Overwork Action
- [x] COIN: The Father
- [x] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
- [x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
- [x] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
- [x] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
- [x] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
- [x] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
- [x] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
- [x] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
- [x] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
We should try and fit in some actions interacting with the major houses over the next few turns. We're a Grey Wizard doing diplomacy things and we've barely skimmed the surface of cityborn politics.
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StormySky said:
And go explore the rest of Laurelorn. There has to be something of note in there.
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So you folks are interested in these actions?
Boney said:
[ ] Explore the wonders of the ancient and beautiful city of Tor Lithanel.
[ ] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (specify which: Storm, Rain, Frost)
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I guess the main issue is that it's not clear what they are for. They're kind of mystery boxes, and that makes it hard to spend AP on them. The two cultural immersion actions that we took first thing in Laurelorn were relatively easy to sell to the thread because we have Xeno-Affinity and we theorized (correctly!) that these actions would advance our Diplomacy (Eonir) skill, and reaching the first rank of that ASAP was judged as crucial for helping us avoid diplomatic faux pas. But the other Lovely Laurelorn actions are a lot trickier to figure out: they'll probably give us infodumps, but which goals of ours do those infodumps further, besides simple curiosity? If we had a good guess, it would be much easier to plan out spending AP on them.

On the bright side, we're going to at least talk to House Tindomiel this turn, and probably recruit them to the Project (assuming the price they ask for is not outrageous). So that should give us more of an understanding about the City side of the Eonir, to go along with the Forest side which Cadaeth provides.
 
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The Gambler could be absolutely key to laying foundations because of how hard it is to translate between magical paradigms. Success or failure here could well come down to whether a participant is randomly inspired to choose a particular metaphor that allows the others to comprehend what they're saying.

As I said before, there's not even any shared arcane languages, I don't believe there's a single participant who speaks two different arcane language and so can directly translate between any of them.

And it's much worse than that as we're hoping for people with no shared theoretical foundation or meta-paradigm to be able to share knowledge when even two people from exactly the same tradition often can't share their insights with each other.

What we're trying to do here is is incredibly hard. The various participants literally can't speak the same language when it comes to describing magical phenomena. They're probably have to stumble through translating everything via Reikspeil, which lacks both the vocabulary or the grammar to describe magical phenomena. It's going to be using metaphors all the way, and the choice of metaphor is something that can easily be altered by random chance. It's something that a couple of nudges at the right time to get a shared understanding of critical concept could make a huge difference.
 
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Alratan said:
The Gambler could be absolutely key to laying foundations because of how hard it is to translate between magical paradigms. Success or failure here could well come down to whether a participant is randomly inspired to choose a particular metaphor that allows the others to comprehend what they're saying.

As I said before, there's not even any shared arcane languages, I don't believe there's a single participant who speaks two different arcane language and so can directly translate between any of them.

And it's much worse than that as we're hoping for people with no shared theoretical foundation or meta-paradigm to be able to share knowledge when even two people from exactly the same tradition often can't share their insights with each other.

What we're trying to do here is is incredibly hard. The various participants literally can't speak the same language when it comes to describing magical phenomena. They're probably have to stumble through translalting everything via Reikspeil, which lacks both the vocabulary or the grammar to describe magical phenomena.
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Technically Mathilde speaks both Elathrian and Lingua Prestidigita so we can translate elf to college (most human magisters do not speak elf as Johann put it). Other than that yeah no one speaks a common arcane language.
 
DragonParadox said:
Technically Mathilde speaks both Elathrian and Lingua Prestidigita so we can translate elf to college (most human magisters do not speak elf as Johann put it). Other than that yeah no one speaks a common arcane language.
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Eltharin isn't an arcane language. Aonoquean is the elves' arcane tongue, used for spellcasting, enchantment or to describe arcane phenomena.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Nurgle on Apr 18, 2022 at 6:35 PM, finished with 1603 posts and 177 votes.
  • [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    ... and 48 more.
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Fatherless)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    ... and 39 more.
    [X] Plan: No Recruitment
    -[X] One Overwork
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] Attempt to codify Rite of Way so that others can learn it.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books
    -[X] Serenity: Windsoak Mushrooms Book
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT with Book Mine
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books. (NEW)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP, AV Enchantment
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT (Fatherless) - Rite
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Attempt to codify Rite of Way so that others can learn it.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Father and Foundations Deluxe
    [X] Plan Who's Your Father
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
    -[X] EIC: Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
    -[X] KAU: The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan: No Recruitment with Arcane (Marks and Khazalid)
    -[X] One Overwork
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Mantle of Mist)
    -[X] Try to learn Arcane Khazalid (Pay with AV)
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books
    -[X] Serenity: Windsoak Mushrooms Book
    [X] Laying Foundations with Recruitment
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Eonir trade)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan: No Branarhune
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan: Adventure
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] WEB-MAT: MAX: Receive dictation: Windsoak Mushrooms
    -[X] Involve yourself in current affairs: Investigate the Iron Orcs of Carcassonne with Egrimm.
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Explore the wonders of the ancient and beautiful city of Tor Lithanel (with Pan).
    -[X] KAU: The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Coins of Nehekhara's Fifth Dynasty
    [X] Plan: No Recruitment with Arcane (Marks and Spells)
    -[X] One Overwork
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Mantle of Mist)
    -[X] Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books
    -[X] Serenity: Windsoak Mushrooms Book
    [X] Father and Foundations
    [X] Plan Don't Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire More AP (Fatherless)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] EGRIMM: Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan: No Recruitment
    -[X] One Overwork
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] Attempt to codify Rite of Way so that others can learn it.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books
    -[X] Serenity: Windsoak Mushrooms Book
    [X] Plan: WEBMAT Alternative Option
    -[X] One Overwork
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Power Stone creation from the colleges.
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books. (NEW)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Father and Foundations Deluxe
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela Burgstaller)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (House Tindomiel)
    -[X] Lay the foundations
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Windsoak Mushroom Book 1/2
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Fatherless) (AV Enchantment) (Trade)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] All AV Research
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP, AV Enchatment (Fatherless)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Foundational Farms and Enchanting
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT (Fatherless) - Rite, book mine
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Attempt to codify Rite of Way so that others can learn it.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books. (NEW)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Ninja Village
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
    -[X] Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Regard WEBMAT, AV Enchantment, No HQ
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments with Egrimm.
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Windsoak mushrooms book
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual.
    [X] Plan Regard WEBMAT, AV Enchantment, Ninja Village
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments with Egrimm.
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Windsoak mushrooms book
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual.
    [X] Plan for Briefvoice's Consideration
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments with Egrimm.
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Windsoak mushrooms book
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] The Gambler
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual.
    [X] Foundational Farms and Enchanting
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] The Gambler
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hunt an apparition with a member of WEB-MAT (Johann, Red Rider).
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn, Take No Heed/Radiant Gaze)
    -[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
    -[X] LIBRARY: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    -[X] COIN: The Gambler: Laying the Foundations
    -[X] One action Overwork.
    [X] Laying Foundations with Recruitment
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewises
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stones
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books. (NEW)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] All AV Research
    -[x] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (optional: specify who)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[x] Using the secrets you already know of the Vitae, attempt to weaponize it.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books. (NEW)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Laying Foundations with Sword Mastery
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stones
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] The many legends about the amount of books contained within and under Castle Drakenhof still haunt you. Organize an expedition to mine the ruins for books. (NEW)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Father and Foundations
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela Burgstaller)
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Windsoak mushrooms book
    -[X] EGRIMM: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (House Tindomiel)
    -[X] Lay the foundations
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    [X] Laying Foundations with Sword Mastery
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Fatherless), now with RoW!
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Attempt to codify Rite of Way so that others can learn it.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, No HQ (Fatherless)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Ninja Village (Fatherless)
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
    --[X] With Panoramia
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
    -[X] Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    [X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP, Find the Daughters
    -[X] One Overwork Action
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
    -[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
    -[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
    -[X] Visit all female-deity worshipping cults in the Old World to see if they worship one of Ranald's Daughters.
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Ok looks like we have a lead starting to happen with one vote now 9 ahead of another.
 
picklepikkl said:
So you folks are interested in these actions?

I guess the main issue is that it's not clear what they are for. They're kind of mystery boxes, and that makes it hard to spend AP on them. The two cultural immersion actions that we took first thing in Laurelorn were relatively easy to sell to the thread because we have Xeno-Affinity and we theorized (correctly!) that these actions would advance our Diplomacy (Eonir) skill, and reaching the first rank of that ASAP was judged as crucial for helping us avoid diplomatic faux pas. But the other Lovely Laurelorn actions are a lot trickier to figure out: they'll probably give us infodumps, but which goals of ours do those infodumps further, besides simple curiosity? If we had a good guess, it would be much easier to plan out spending AP on them.

On the bright side, we're going to at least talk to House Tindomiel this turn, and probably recruit them to the Project (assuming the price they ask for is not outrageous). So that should give us more of an understanding about the City side of the Eonir, to go along with the Forest side which Cadaeth provides.
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I assume those options might involve inspecting areas of interest and talking to personages of importance. For the Ward of Frost, maybe we'd be wandering trying to pull up the Councillors of Frost from wherever they are for a chat (since apparently they only meet when "necessity demands it") or investigating the ruins of Kor Immamor, for the Ward of Storms, it would involve meeting Kaia Stormwitch, for Rain, it might be investigating areas like the Vale of Khaine and the Drachenhohle. The wonders of Tor Lithanel would probably involve Landmarks, but I'm not sure how it'd turn out at all.
 
picklepikkl said:
So you folks are interested in these actions?
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Yes—I actually voted for the Tor Lithanel action in my adventure plan, and it's an action I'm keen to see happen at some point.

As for what we'll gain from it—well, look at Johann's shiny new trait: "Guest of Tor Lithanel". We probably won't get that specific trait unless we go all in on the socialising like Johann has, but we have a good chance to pick up something similar, I feel.
 
DragonParadox said:
Technically Mathilde speaks both Elathrian and Lingua Prestidigita so we can translate elf to college (most human magisters do not speak elf as Johann put it). Other than that yeah no one speaks a common arcane language.
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And even then she speaks Tar-Eltharin (the Asur dialect), not Yen-Eltharin. While this means she can still get by with talking to Eonir for regular communications we're discussing nitty-gritty magical technicalties that require a lot of precision. And once you add in the variances between the two dialects of a notoriously finicky and context-dependent language, talking magic like that is going to be hard.
 
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Alratan said:
Eltharin isn't an arcane language. Aonoquean is the elves' arcane tongue, used for spellcasting, enchantment or to describe arcane phenomena.
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I am pretty sure most elven mages cast in Eltharin. Boney said Aonoquean is only spoken fluently in the tower of Hoeth if there. Now the Grey Lords might also speak it, but even so they would know enough of the other sort of casting to lower themselves to it
 
DragonParadox said:
I am pretty sure most elven mages cast in Eltharin. Boney said Aonoquean is only spoken fluently in the tower of Hoeth if there. Now the Grey Lords might also speak it, but even so they would know enough of the other sort of casting to lower themselves to it
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Well, in the RPG at least, you simply can't cast in Eltharin, as it's a mundane language, not a magically resonant arcane one.
 
StormySky said:
And even then she speaks Tar-Eltharin (the Asur dialect), not Yen-Eltharin. While this means she can still get by with talking to Eonir for regular communications, the fact remains that Eltharin, like Reikspiel, simply isn't made for discussing magical technicalties. And once you add in the variances between the two dialects of a notoriously finicky and context-dependent language, talking magic like that is going to be hard.
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Huh, I could have sworn that Mathilde had picked up Yen-Eltharin from cultural immersion, but I've just double checked the character sheet, and you're right, she only knows Tar-Eltharin.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Huh, I could have sworn that Mathilde had picked up Yen-Eltharin from cultural immersion, but I've just double checked the character sheet, and you're right, she only knows Tar-Eltharin.
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I imagine it's a bit like Tilean and Estalian. Speaking one allows you to get by in the other, but if you want to get all the nuances it's best to learn both. And since you can get by already, it kind of screws with immersion.
 
DragonParadox said:
I am pretty sure most elven mages cast in Eltharin. Boney said Aonoquean is only spoken fluently in the tower of Hoeth if there. Now the Grey Lords might also speak it, but even so they would know enough of the other sort of casting to lower themselves to it
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Boney said:
BeepSmile said:
FFS Johann! :p

But no, I genuinely though Johann could speak Lingua Praestantia, the language of the Colleges of Magic, too. @BoneyM sorry to bother you, but could you confirm?
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He's rote memorized enough for spellcasting, and has a small vocabulary of terms the way scientists know some Latin, but he can't hold a full conversation.
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The Colleges in general don't require fluent Praestantia, just enough words to get by invocations for casting. Similarly to how the elves use Anoqeyån. That Mathilde knows it fluently is because the Grey Order uses it for ciphers.
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"He taught you something of our language as well, didn't he? Is that still being passed down? Of course, not the proper thing, but a few words to use like we would use Anoqeyån."
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