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Sweet, thanks for the info.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Is "the Tileans" even a thing? Isn't Tilea a collection of city states.
But I do hope we start a PPP (public/private partership) between the EIC and the Library to found a publishing/traduction house to both fund the library AND line our pockets.
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This would kneecap Mandred's relationship with Ranald. The reason we don't make use of the Celestials' luck magic is because Ranald would feel betrayed at us not putting our faith in him.
I mean it would mean he cannot get re-rolls from Ranald, but I don't think the level of luck blessings Mathilde has is anything like normal, so that is hardly a major loss to him. It should also be noted that Mandred is becoming a wizard of the Colleges, which are broadly known to be secular, and outside the Greys have no significant relationship with Ranald. I think he will have more of a 'cross your fingers when you need luck' sort of relationship, not Champion of Ranald.
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- Belgium
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- He
Yes, and? Why should Manfred necessarily become a Ranaldite? If he finds out that another god fits him better, he should go for it even if it's not Ranald. If he becomes a Celestial, maybe Morr would be good?
Depends who you ask. A lot of Verenans say that Clio and Scripsisti are aspects of Verena, a lot of Cultists of Clio and Scripsisti say that they're separate Gods entirely, and then they each say that the other is encroaching on their God's territory and then everyone starts yelling at each other and pretty quick everyone learns not to ask that question at all.
There's a lot of these conceptual battlegrounds in the Old World Pantheon, where one or often multiple major Gods and/or Cults are trying to take over a specific swathe of deific real estate but haven't fully managed it, either due to being deadlocked or because of trouble fitting it in to the existing framework. Gods of law, trade, fertility, vengeance, and rivers are some of the current ongoing battlegrounds.
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What are you going for in the end for the temple in Carroburg? Clio or Scripsisti?
Clio. It makes sense that an ambitious cult dedicated to recording the past might look at the cult dedicated to recording in general and think it would be a winnable fight that would increase their power, influence, and income.
Which is more typical for a follower of Ranald—to dedicate yourself to one face, like Heidi, or to embrace all four faces equally, like Mathilde?
Also, would Mathilde's "well-rounded" relationship be partly due to her secular upbringing by the Grey College?
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- Aotearoa
"Clio? Scripsisti? Verena? I have no rat-dog in this fight, but I will gladly take all of your BOOK."
I'm not sure Mathilde agreed she embraced all Aspects equally. Just that shemantled called upon the appropriate aspects as the situation called for, with some being more default M.O. and others more situational.
As far as I recall, most other faithful of Ranald we've encountered seem to have strongly favoured one aspect. Heidek and Wolf ("Night Prowler and the Deceiver hand in hand") or the card sharp Deceiver tuning up out our Gambler-only temple.
I'm not sure Mathilde agreed she embraced all Aspects equally. Just that she
As far as I recall, most other faithful of Ranald we've encountered seem to have strongly favoured one aspect. Heidek and Wolf ("Night Prowler and the Deceiver hand in hand") or the card sharp Deceiver tuning up out our Gambler-only temple.
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A thought, instead of mathy picking like usual, there could be a Dip roll off (to sim trying to pick her out in the crowd faster then others) for characters that for one reason or another might have wanted to talk to Mathy about something, but never could get around to it because of time or other issues.
But now that they are here at the far side of the old world anyways, they might as well talk to her now.
E.g the Alr-Uric talking to her about the elves or a dwarf trying to sell a hold reclaiming or an academic asking about her orc papers etc etc.
A bunch of little paragraphs on events and issues that where hard to bring up narratively that make sense now with 'everyone' in one place.
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Most worshippers have a closer relationship with one face than the others out of the circumstances that brought them to Ranald in the first place. Thieves to the Night Prowler, conmen to the Deceiver, vigilantes to the Protector, and so on. Most Grey Wizards would end up closest to the Deceiver, but Mathilde is most closely aligned with the Protector and uses the other three faces as tools on her belt. Heidi thinks Mathilde is more well-rounded because she doesn't quite grasp that aspect of Mathilde.
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- Aotearoa
Has this perhaps been asked before, but- when did Mathilde have her 'come to Ranald' moment? What shaped it?
If it was the Protector aspect, perhaps it spun out of her traumatic childhood into a desire to protect others from abusive authority figures?
If it was the Protector aspect, perhaps it spun out of her traumatic childhood into a desire to protect others from abusive authority figures?
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"I can get a God to help me out just by doing the things I'm going to be doing anyway?"
She made a friend in the hills of Striland.
Just it was a bit of an unusual friend.
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- Aotearoa
😂 I love it.
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- Aotearoa
God shopping.
Hmm. Sigmar, definitely not...
Verena? Books are good, but, well...
Morr? No, I know my cat well enough.
Myrmidia... A badass, which is cool, put that on the maybe list...
Ranald... Lie, cheat, steal, and oppose abuses of power... Hey, waitaminute...
Hmm. Sigmar, definitely not...
Verena? Books are good, but, well...
Morr? No, I know my cat well enough.
Myrmidia... A badass, which is cool, put that on the maybe list...
Ranald... Lie, cheat, steal, and oppose abuses of power... Hey, waitaminute...
I can actually imagine ten year old Mathilde sat at a table in the Grey Library drawing up a table listing the pros and cons for each god.
| God | Pro | Con |
| Ulric | Likes Wolves | Hates Wizards |
| Shallya | Kind | No stabbing |
| Manann | Talk like a pirate | Swimming |
| Ranald | Likes cats, lies and stabbing | ??? |
Ranald: I Lie, I Cheat, I Steal (and I Just Don't Get Any Respect).
I think Mathilde's relationship with the aspects or Ranald is a bit more nuanced than that. Protector and Deceiver are both "things I'm going to be doing anyway" but Protector is a goal and a cause while Deceiver is a tool. The goal was probably attractive to Mathilde because of her formative experience of almost being burned at the stake and also because of her Grey Wizard education, while the tool is attractive to her solely because of her being a Grey Wizard. Night Prowler has also been used by Mathilde as a tool - she doesn't steal stuff as a matter of principle because 'property is totally fake yo' as some Ranaldites do - but it's a tool that I don't think she would have used as heavily if not for her worship of Ranald, and I don't know that most Grey Wizards have as much of a connection with the Night Prowler as Mathilde (though the general sneakiness that is associated with that aspect is surely not uncommon).
That just leaves the Gambler. It has already been pointed out before that of all the aspects of Ranald it's the only one that doesn't really fall under the category of "thing's I'm going to be doing anyway", which I think is why she said
And of course, whenever the thread wants to pray to Ranald it is always done through the use of gambling rather than by, say, overthrowing corrupt governments.
That just leaves the Gambler. It has already been pointed out before that of all the aspects of Ranald it's the only one that doesn't really fall under the category of "thing's I'm going to be doing anyway", which I think is why she said
Since gambling is something she wouldn't be doing if not for her worship of Ranald it has a ritualistic significance that the other aspects don't, and if memory serves in the course of this quest whenever Mathilde wanted to "pray" to Ranald in a ritualistic fashion it was invariably through the use of gambling.
And of course, whenever the thread wants to pray to Ranald it is always done through the use of gambling rather than by, say, overthrowing corrupt governments.
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- A Pit Of My Own Making
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- He/Him
Its meta, but considering Mathilde's life often hangs on a dice roll, I'd say the Gambler is important to her
One things that kind of flew under the radar last update is that we now have confirmation (or at least non-denial) from an Annotated Priest that the talent for casting divine and arcane magic is the same. Heidi would not have presented things in this light if she thought there was any substantive metaphysical difference between Mandred the Priest and Mandred the Wizard. I know that has been our working model for the whole quest because we have OOC information, but this is reliable IC confirmation from someone who has chats with her God and has no reason to fudge this as it is her son's life on the line.
Mathilde likes to stack the odds in her favour though, which isn't really in the spirit of the Gambler.