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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Besides, the Intrigue lesson nat 1 that led to the old Empress being implicated and killed came before the Mugging of Mork that gave Ranald that extra power to spend on Heidi's gambit.
 
Mopman43 said:
Heidi did say that Ranald put some luck into Abelhelm's Witch Hunter investigators, though.
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True. Though the way she portrayed it was as a result of Ranald's growing fondness for and interest in Meowthilde:
Boney said:
She turns the cup again, and then takes a sip. You help yourself to some of the biscuits while she thinks. "He's quite taken with you, our mutual friend. At first because you were entertaining, then because you were interesting. More than a few Grey Wizards direct prayers His way but few actually believe as strongly as you do. So when the conspiracy started paying you more attention, the Sigmarites that Abelhelm had sicced on the Lahmians started having lucky breaks. Then your man up and died and the incomplete list went to the Greys and a whole lot of pyres started burning."
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God but fuck WFRP 2e: The WFRP Companion. Went looking to see what it said about its learned organisations and smacked right into its sexism. I feel dirty using this as a source.
 
Andres said:
God but fuck WFRP 2e: The WFRP Companion. Went looking to see what it said about its learned organisations and smacked right into its sexism. I feel dirty using this as a source.
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There are precisely three portions of that book that are worth reading; the chapter on carnies, the chapter on Tobaro, and the statline for swivel guns (which is in the chapter on merchants and trade systems).
 
Keeping in mind basically every Magister is trusted with a wide remit to act independently on their own judgement and recognizance. Grey Magisters especially, in a world without effective and secure long distance communication, they're expected to use their best judgement, due to going up against the intrigues of immortals and more, where the only secure secret is one that nobody knows.

This is why the Grey Order promotes loyalty and not accountability.
Their selection criteria largely minimizes preexisting allegiances by recruiting heavily from children.
They filter out self-interest and poor judgement by placing large, visible loopholes which are easily and frequently exploited so long as its for the right purposes.
The Ulgu-oriented atmosphere of paranoia and oversight means that you can never be sure if you aren't being monitored, but that you can break the rules if you are sure your monitor would agree.

This is the Grey Order that stole the imperial symbol of office.
Covertly assassinating a sitting Empress is fair game, so long as:
-Public denoucement would cause more harm to the Empire(it would damage faith in imperial institutions)
-She is worse for the Empire in the position than if she died unexpectedly there.

Beyond that is just meeting the threshold for action, rather than having to justify said action.
 
@Boney, I've got a conflict between my sources. WFRP 2e: Career Compendium page 67 says the Imperial Engineers School only accepts Imperials, Tileans, and dwarves. Warhammer 8th Edition: The Empire page 21 says it attracts inventors from all over the Old World. WFRP 4e: Altdorf - Crown of the Empire page 141 says it attracts students from Tilea, Kislev, and Cathay. What's the case in Divided Loyalties?
 
Andres said:
@Boney, I've got a conflict between my sources. WFRP 2e: Career Compendium page 67 says the Imperial Engineers School only accepts Imperials, Tileans, and dwarves. Warhammer 8th Edition: The Empire page 21 says it attracts inventors from all over the Old World. WFRP 4e: Altdorf - Crown of the Empire page 141 says it attracts students from Tilea, Kislev, and Cathay. What's the case in Divided Loyalties?
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Well, not Boney, but as it is a military institution, and one connected to its main military advantage in blackpowder weapons. This is a time where 'only imperials and dwarfs allowed' makes logical sense.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Well, not Boney, but as it is a military institution, and one connected to its main military advantage in blackpowder weapons. This is a time where 'only imperials and dwarfs allowed' makes logical sense.
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The Altdorf book isn't actually incompatible with that sense. Kislev is the Empire's shield against Chaos incursion so it could be acceptable to share weapon knowledge with them, and Cathay is way too far away to militarily threaten the Empire regardless of whatever technology they have, so might as well benefit from their students' contributions and improved relations.
 
Andres said:
@Boney, I've got a conflict between my sources. WFRP 2e: Career Compendium page 67 says the Imperial Engineers School only accepts Imperials, Tileans, and dwarves. Warhammer 8th Edition: The Empire page 21 says it attracts inventors from all over the Old World. WFRP 4e: Altdorf - Crown of the Empire page 141 says it attracts students from Tilea, Kislev, and Cathay. What's the case in Divided Loyalties?
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These can be more or less reconciled. 2e begins 'Usually, only Imperial citizens are admitted. However...' and if you take everything after the 'however' to be examples of exceptions made instead of the only ones, then it can fit with 8th and 4e by saying that it accepts enough Imperial students to meet the military needs of the Empire, and then on top of that takes in especially talented candidates from allied or neutral polities on the equivalent of scholarships. This would result in a much lower bar for Imperial applicants than for foreign ones, and will mean that Imperial citizens would be the majority.
 
somewhatLazy said:
I know this is ancient history but I'm kind of curious about this actually since I thought dwarves can't have magesight. How did the Rhunkit feel Karak Vlag dropping back into reality?
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Runesmiths don't sense the Winds directly, they attune themselves to the protection all Dwarves have so they can sense how it reacts to the presence of the Winds. Like wearing a suit of armour and sensing a tennis ball that bounces off it without ever directly touching it.
 
@Boney Does Handrich/Haendryk warrant His own book category due to His popularity in Marienburg, or is that folded under Minor Gods of the Empire? And if the former, which spelling is it anyway?
 
Rafin said:
What? Why wouldn't a Wizard EC have friends? What idiotic Amethyst or Grey buddy would prefer that he chose not to become the first Wizard EC just because that way he got the same Wind as them, who had to give up, I don't know, a farm?

Nobility is already exceptional by birth. That's the normal state of affairs. And if you're exceptional enough then you get to also skip that one weird rule that dampens down on exceptionalism, either because the powers shouldn't be used to enrich oneself but instead be in service of the Empire (ECs don't need magic to do that at their hearts content because they are the Empire) or for weird ritualistic reasons symbolizing death.
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Jealousy is a very human emotion. You can still realise the benefit of a wizard elector and be jealous of the advantages afforded to them.
Giving up your Inheritance is a part of the initiation into the mystery cult. I doubt they would waive it and still accept him into it.

There are 7 other options. Forcing the amethysts to break their own rules would not be smart.
 
@Boney, learning Classical, Tilean, or Estalian would let us read literature of any of those languages, but would they let us speak to speakers of those languages and be understood?
 
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