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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Mopman43
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I'm not saying it isn't, nothing Ulthuan has ever done amounts to what the Drucchi have.
Just correcting on the "supporting Marienburg" front.
Codex
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You had to roll a 6 to wound for Heroic Killing Blow. Master Rune of Death didn't care what number you rolled, it just killed someone as long as you wounded them. There were also abilities to nullify Heroic Killing Blow.
Heroic Killing Blow was a thing in 7th and 8th editions I believe. How is that different?
Belegar for example, cannot be killed by Heroic Killing Blow because of his shield.
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Ah, thanks, I was thinking about the current political situation (where nobody knows whether or not Ulthuan would intervene militarily to defend Marienburg's independence, possibly not even Ulthuan), and not enough about the original secession.
Probably not, I think it's just deep Boney worldbuilding.
Mopman43
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Not sure what you mean, they're all dragons at least mentioned in canon (well, Total War in the case of Radixashen)
Draugnir is said to be the father of the dragons that joined Ulthuan, Kalgalanos is said to be the father of dragons in other sources, Umskaladrak was killed by Grimnir, Radixashen is assosiated with Athel Loren in TW, and the only thing I can find off-hand about Abraxas is that they lost a fight with Sigmar.
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There are several Dragons all over the Warhammer Setting that are all called "Father of Dragons", which is a bit contradictory unless Dragons had multiple fathers. What Boney did is that he took all of them and created a backstory that would explain it. It's just signature Boney stuff, taking stuff that's barely explained and pretty contradictory and making it make sense.
Seconding. We need backfill to actually be more than an eccentric collection and become an actual library.
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I think that's also a product of the Druchii not actually attacking the shores of the Empire all that often. There are a few mentions here and there, but the Druchii are so far away from the Empire that it's just not practical for them to do constant raids, so it's really just the occasional Black Ark that comes and takes people away. The people of Ostland and Nordland would have a bone to pick, but to the majority of the Empire, Dark Elves are a largely academic concern that only two out of the ten provinces ever have to deal with.
Marienburg, on the other hand, choke out the Empire with fees and taxes and economic control. I'm not making any statement on morality here, but my impression is that people in this time period hate merchants, and Marienburg is a city of Merchants that seceded from the Empire. It's understandable why so many in the Empire might hate Ulthuan for their involvement in the affair as much as they do the Druchii, who are a very distant concern.
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I think @Dragonofelder is coming at it from the angle of "five primordial dragons," which is an important component of the Warcraft dragon lore (or was, before they changed things), but I am pretty sure the number is a coincidence here and that Boney isn't deliberately shouting out the Dragon Aspects.
Yeah, the distant monstrosity is a lot less important to most people than the nearby annoyance. Just how brains are wired. Hence Mathilde's "Many would agree" without actually agreeing.
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Damnit now I want to read that story too.
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What's there to tell? We wanted to leave, the dragon got angry, and then Grimnir killed it.
-Grim Durazokri, Living Ancestor
Elderly Toph Beifong summarized her teaching avatar Aang earthbending as "I threw some rocks at the avatar, he got whiny, and Sokka fell in a hole". Grim Durazokri = Dwarf expy of Toph, literaly Tough Stonecrafter
Laurelorn doesn't care about who is and isn't a total shithead, they care about what the Phoenix Kings have done to them. And the Phoenix Kings abandoned them, reconquered them, started a war with the Dwarves, abandoned them again, and then ghosted them for almost four thousand years.
No.
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Laurelorn,, sending a eagle or whatever to Ulthuan: "Please help, Beastmen being mean."
Ulthuan: "New King, who dis?"
Repeat ad nauseam.
K von Carstein
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Is the smoke referring to the ritual that make dwarfs magic-repellent?
I've read somewhere that in the past, merchants were seen with suspicion because they didn't created concrete value, like food or textile. They bought things in one place and somehow made a profit selling it in another. Obviously now we know about the law of offering and demand, but back then it looked really strange to most people, both nobles and peasants. In the mind of those people, merchants weren't directly making things, so they had to be cheating someone.
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Regarding the Library purchase vote, I'm going to dig up the list of books from previous losing plans again:
Library of Mourning:
- Geography of Laurelorn
- Beastmen
- Karaz Ankor
- Hoeth
- History of the Old World
- Vaul
- Agriculture
Barak Varr booksellers:
- Faiths of the Old World*
- Medicine
- Tradecraft
- Engineering
- Logistics
Out of pocket:
- Asuryan
- Isha
- Vaul
- Atharti
- Imperial Verena Extensive
- Nordland History & Culture
* I don't know if Faiths of the Old World is fully covered by Minor Gods of the Empire (Extensive and Esoteric) but it might be.
Still, there's quite a few topics on that list that interest me. Mostly Mourning ones (even if that option has the lowest yield). I still want their Beastmen, Hoeth and Vaul books and am at least curious about their take on Dwarf and Human history.
Another thing to note is that, if I understood correctly, Backfill can get us Imperial and Dwarven books for topics where we only have Eonir (or Bretonnian) books, but not the other way around. So it might make sense to from now on do out of pocket purchases from there first, even for mundane subjects.
After removing the ones that since won and adding new ones that lost last turn, we have:
Library of Mourning:
- Geography of Laurelorn
- Beastmen
- Karaz Ankor
- Hoeth
- History of the Old World
- Vaul
- Agriculture
Barak Varr booksellers:
- Faiths of the Old World*
- Medicine
- Tradecraft
- Engineering
- Logistics
Out of pocket:
- Asuryan
- Isha
- Vaul
- Atharti
- Imperial Verena Extensive
- Nordland History & Culture
* I don't know if Faiths of the Old World is fully covered by Minor Gods of the Empire (Extensive and Esoteric) but it might be.
Still, there's quite a few topics on that list that interest me. Mostly Mourning ones (even if that option has the lowest yield). I still want their Beastmen, Hoeth and Vaul books and am at least curious about their take on Dwarf and Human history.
Another thing to note is that, if I understood correctly, Backfill can get us Imperial and Dwarven books for topics where we only have Eonir (or Bretonnian) books, but not the other way around. So it might make sense to from now on do out of pocket purchases from there first, even for mundane subjects.
I'm pretty sure Boney has already said that Laurelorn considers those books military assets more so than they would consider the books on their deities something to restrict (like the Empire would).
I still don't get how this could have seemed so strange when long distance trade had been a thing older than writing. Clearly they must have been useful for something if they hadn't been declared criminal by any culture or religion by then.
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Merchants were absolutely considered implicitly criminal by a lot of different cultures.
Article: The old, feudal model of society was dominated by the concept that there were three divinely ordained orders: knights, clergy, and peasants. Each of these groups had a role to play, either defense of the realm, maintenance of the soul of society, or the growing of essential foodstuffs. The merchant, as a class, was discriminated against for not contributing to these essential duties, but rather for aiming to get rich himself. His pursuit of gain was considered against the laws of God, because he was not a producer of real goods, but rather a resaler, or a usurer.
Although medieval society increasingly came to rely upon the merchant's services in distributing and obtaining items not produced locally, he was nonetheless considered a parasite and a sinner, barely tolerated for his questionable contribution to society's output. The objection to the presence of commerce and banking in early medieval times was spearheaded by the clergy, who thundered against the sinful nature of their calling. No sin was worse than that of the usurer, no activity more repugnant to the Lord. But by the time of Boccaccio, the merchant's place in society was much more secure, his numbers had proliferated, his standing in society backed up by land and power, and his services accepted as essential to urban life. They were still hated, especially during certain periods when they were blamed for natural occurrences, thought to be God's punishment for the excesses of greed and usurious activity, but their numbers had grown so large, and their services so essential, that they were not in danger of extinction.
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Doesn't help that 4000 years is living memory for some of them.
This is no ancestral grudge handed down from parent to child through the generations.
It could be related.
Yeah.
If you implicitly believe value is objective, the merchant in buying low and selling high is obviously cheating someone, even if you can't tell who.
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How up to date is this? I know that the observations on the arm should be removed from there, but are all the Mostly Fadeds ticking over to Faded before the start of the next turn or do we still have one turn of time before that?
I don't think this matters much, but would it make sense to add Karag Nar to that list now that we don't officially work for K8P anymore or am I misunderstanding how Influence works?
That's what I kind of meant though. That they were so hated in the feudal period despite having existed just fine long before it.
Banking and money lending as a profession at least were new-ish iirc.
Edit: One answer of course is that human cultural value systems can be really stupid some times and that as Christianity took over the maintenance of culture across Europe there were many other things that became reviled despite having been fine for centuries before that, but it's still hard for me to wrap my head around it when it comes to something as essential, ancient and ubiquitous as trade.
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I'm also particularly interested in Forest Spirits (both Eonir and Imperial), Liminal Pathways, and Apparitions (the latter two are Imperial-only, since the Eonir consider them militarily relevant).
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How does this work? Wouldn't the baby start turning to stone on the way to the Hold?
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Powerful, but not gamebreaking. Especially considering later editions introduced points caps for runes.
Not many. This is mostly ancestral, Elves live a long time but it's very rare for them to live four thousand years.
Even assuming the naming is what confers them their protection, there are other ways of shielding Dwarfs. We know that enough stone protects them, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had other methods. Clans having Runes of Valaya specifically for the purpose or that sort of thing.
It's as of last turn, they tick over at the start of Turn 38, before the turn voting.
It's pretty much a redundant mechanic I haven't got around to pruning from the character sheet.
Why would a baby turn to stone just because it hasn't been officially named?
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So the actual magically-relevant Rites of Valaya are applied right after the baby physically leaves the womb, while the more ceremonial stuff can be held off for a number of days, right?