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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Andres said:
I suspected the dwarves wouldn't have information on the Old Ones but I'm neverthless surprised. They're an elder race and have the best record-keeping in the world, and yet even the fimir know more about the Old Ones than they do. What happened in their early history that they have such a dearth of knowledge in this area?
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An exodus across an entire continent through desert and wasteland, pursued by one of the five biggest and most powerful Dragons in the world.

cog-nito said:
Is familiar obsession a twoway street?
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Depends on the personalities. If the familiar likes their other half, yes.
 
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So library vote.

I want to try and get more Enoir god lore (try to get the full pantheon as a feature of the library before the elf's realise that they should more conservative about that stuff.) and pump Karak Vag for info about the fire spire.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
So library vote.

I want to try and get more Enoir god lore (try to get the full pantheon as a feature of the library before the elf's realise that they should more conservative about that stuff.) and pump Karak Vag for info about the fire spire.
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I very much agree on getting the full collection before they clamp down. More magical theory is always good too. I also want to get the first level of stuff like Norsca and the Dark Elves, just so Mathilde has some knowledge base for whatever she might interact with in the future.
 
Droman said:
Yeah but I've met actual football hooligans away from games and they still least have some individual thoughts. You never see an Ork on their own doing stuff.
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There is at least one- Wurrzag's story in 6th edition was that he spent many years alone after getting kicked out of his tribe's Shaman. Course, this ended with him having a vision to seek out the Once and Future Git, so ymmv on how it left him.
Swantree said:
Also, can someone explain the deal with the skin color of orcs?

There's nothing on the wiki to something that is responsible for the color of their skin. There's a reddit post 11 years ago about why do orcs have to be green, but the two figures here aren't. There's also green-skinned artwork of them green, but Andres' isn't. They're also called Greenskins.

I'm guessing it's the copyright problem they had that was mentioned?
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Ogres aren't Greenskins.

Black Orcs are an entire sub-species created by Chaos Dwarfs that are basically so dark-green that they're black.


On the topic of intelligent apparitions- just bind some sort of spite or spirit if you want something intelligent. And if it's intelligent enough for the purposes people wanted, we might be able to make a deal with it instead of a harsher binding.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I want to try and get more Enoir god lore (try to get the full pantheon as a feature of the library before the elf's realise that they should more conservative about that stuff.) and pump Karak Vag for info about the fire spire.
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I went back and looked at the discussion surrounding this last month and it was a little ambiguous. Boney, would Karak Vlag's lost archives be available to us for purchase without a Kron-Azril-Ungol action to establish ties with them? I'm not sure whether the one that was discussed as being added to the action list was a necessary precondition for getting any books for them or just a precondition for getting a large-scale Library action quantity of books from them.

Regardless, I am currently on board @mathymancer's plan to use our [PURCHASE] action to get Bretonnian books about the Lady, Bretonnia, and Shallya. We can only get up to Extensive in each, alas, but it should help, and that's only 300gc out of pocket, which we can very easily afford. For our Library action, I am undecided, but leaning towards Backfill rather than further stuff from Laurelorn.
 
picklepikkl said:
I went back and looked at the discussion surrounding this last month and it was a little ambiguous. Boney, would Karak Vlag's lost archives be available to us for purchase without a Kron-Azril-Ungol action to establish ties with them? I'm not sure whether the one that was discussed as being added to the action list was a necessary precondition for getting any books for them or just a precondition for getting a large-scale Library action quantity of books from them.
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They're not going to be selling those books, it would be a library action to broach the topic and see what the options are.
 
picklepikkl said:
Regardless, I am currently on board @mathymancer's plan to use our [PURCHASE] action to get Bretonnian books about the Lady, Bretonnia, and Shallya. We can only get up to Extensive in each, alas, but it should help, and that's only 300gc out of pocket, which we can very easily afford. For our Library action, I am undecided, but leaning towards Backfill rather than further stuff from Laurelorn.
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While I'd normally be up for this kind of sheer quantity of books, we are on a bit of a time limit on the Eonir god books before they start laying down restrictions. Might be best to prioritise that first.

I think we should get some books on spirits. They've gone massively more important since we started doing stuff with Laurelorn so I think it's prudent.
 
Boney said:
They're not going to be selling those books, it would be a library action to broach the topic and see what the options are.
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That's what I thought was most likely, but I didn't want to make a definitive statement about the quest rules without checking, because (much to my eternal aggravation) I am often wrong.
Andres said:
I think we should get some books on spirits. They've gone massively more important since we started doing stuff with Laurelorn so I think it's prudent.
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Not saying I necessarily disagree, but can you explain why? "Laurelorn has spirits" and "we recently fought some spirits", sure, but I am not sure why that makes it an active priority for book acquisition. We're not doing anything directly with those spirits any time soon, as far as I know.
 
picklepikkl said:
Not saying I necessarily disagree, but can you explain why? "Laurelorn has spirits" and "we recently fought some spirits", sure, but I am not sure why that makes it an active priority for book acquisition. We're not doing anything directly with those spirits any time soon, as far as I know.
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We have a Hag Witch on the team. Spirit knowledge 101 is now mandatory to maintain knowing bluff smug.
 
I am very much on board for backfill as our next library purchase. It just really irks me that twice already we have used the library option that gets us the lowest amount of books possible.
Boney said:
soon an influx of tomes that will go some way to filling those empty, echoing halls.
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I would really like those halls to be less echoing. If there was some need to get specific Eonir books for the next turn then I would still recommend buying them out of pocket and backfilling, but there really isn't any such need.

As for the personal purchase, Bretonnian books on the Lady and Shallya and on Bretonnia itself, for reasons I've already made clear.
 
In case people are curious, this is old lore that Boney might not use, but the axe Grimnir (4th Edition says Grungni killed Urmskaladrak but they changed that) used to kill Urmskaladrak had the Master Rune of Death on it, which is a Rune from older Editions.

What does it do? If it hits and wounds someone, that person instantly dies. Regardless of any number of wounds they have.

Yeah, there's a reason that Rune is no longer available to the Dwarfs in later Editions.
 
Boney said:
"Laurelorn does not recognize either claimant for the Phoenix Throne. From what I managed to winkle out of the Sea Elves, I can't say I particularly blame them. The first Caledor abandoned them, the second Caledor denied their autonomy, and Caradryel stripped them of citizenship. After all that, I could see an argument that the wrong fellow got the throne after Bel Shanaar to be quite convincing to those who've never had their shores visited by a Black Ark."

"There are those in the Empire who might agree," you say carefully, making the sounds of agreement without actually agreeing. "The Druchii are very much a blight on the coastlines, but at least they've never lent military support to secessionists."
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There has been 9 Kings since Bel Shanaar most of them haven't been total shit heads, and can I get the details about 'lent military support to secessionists' part?
 
Codex said:
In case people are curious, this is old lore that Boney might not use, but the axe Grimnir (4th Edition says Grungni killed Urmskaladrak but they changed that) used to kill Urmskaladrak had the Master Rune of Death on it, which is a Rune from older Editions.

What does it do? If it hits and wounds someone, that person instantly dies. Regardless of any number of wounds they have.

Yeah, there's a reason that Rune is no longer available to the Dwarfs in later Editions.
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o_O
Heroic Killing Blow was a thing in 7th and 8th editions I believe. How is that different?
 
Mopman43 said:
I mean, a bit more than tacit. Ulthuan mages were with the Marienburg forces that fought at the Battle of Grootscher Marsh.
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Supporting secessionists you agreed to support is objectively a far smaller evil than anything the dark elves do in the old world.

Of course, finding someone objective about it in the empire is quite difficult.

Angelform said:
o_O
Heroic Killing Blow was a thing in 7th and 8th editions I believe. How is that different?
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It's automatic.
Heroic killing blow only kicks in on a 6 (or 5+) on the to wound roll.

Although tbh, it wouldn't be much better than a weapon that causes 1D6 wounds for every unsaved wound.
In my experience, you don't usually have many creatures with more than 3 wounds apiece (average on a 1D6). Creatures with more than 6 were practically unknown.
 
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