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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Also, i doubt it would "piss the golds a lil".
It will piss of the golds a fuck ton.
Also piss of Algard when he learns we made an oath to the gold pattriarch and then decided to piss all over it.
There is a reason why golds keep the whole thing secret, and it is not just because they like keeping secrets (and they do, like all colleges), adverticing apparition binding is going to make witch hunters go ballistic.
 
picklepikkl said:
[-] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Recruitment Edition)
-[-] One Overwork Action
-[-] Lay the foundations
-[-] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Amber)
-[-] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Haléthan Hedgewise)
-[-] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
-[-] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[-] Attempt to codify Rite of Way so that others can learn it.
-[-] COIN: The Father
-[-] EIC: Something
-[-] KAU: Something
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I went looking for the proto-plans to see what our book purchases might look like and I like this plan best.

I cannot care about controlling our near-irrelevant arcane marks whose oft-claimed downsides have, after many years, decided to remain firmly in a vague, theoretical future. Including that action in a plan has always been a miscalculation of risk.

Moving away from what I disapprove of, I think bringing more people into the waystone project before we do Lay the Foundations is nothing but wisdom. That it's bringing a whole three people in is fantastic. A more personal upside is I want to see more of each of the groups the plan aims to recruit.
 
Andres said:
I cannot care about controlling our near-irrelevant arcane marks whose oft-claimed downsides have, after many years, decided to remain firmly in a vague, theoretical future. Including that action in a plan has always been a miscalculation of risk
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To me, it's not about risk, it's about becoming a better wizard. Marks clearly tie into magic and spells, so gaining a better grip on them implies better handling of magic. It's also a cool possibility for making spells. We have one that can use our shadow to stab people with shadow tentacles. It's not farfetched that a greater mastery/understanding would allow for improvements there. Not a 3d shadow clone, but perhaps your shadow going around stabbing people.
 
@Boney, from whom can we acquire books on the Old Ones? The queen and Deathfang mentioned them so Mathilde knows they exist now and giving her some knowledge about them is something I'm interested in, if only to contextualise other stuff.

Codex said:
House Tindomiel: Hekarti worshippers. Magic House, in favor of contact with the outside world and don't look down on humans. Sapherian. Unlike the Druchii, the Eonir don't look very positively on the use of Dark Magic and maintain a more balanced view on the worship of Hekarti, and they do not recommend appeasing both Hekarti and Atharti like the Sorceresses of Ghrond.
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Thank you Codex for your informational post. I wanted to learn what House Tindomiel was about and thanks to your efforts, I did.

BurnNote said:
To me, it's not about risk, it's about becoming a better wizard. Marks clearly tie into magic and spells, so gaining a better grip on them implies better handling of magic. It's also a cool possibility for making spells. We have one that can use our shadow to stab people with shadow tentacles. It's not farfetched that a greater mastery/understanding would allow for improvements there. Not a 3d shadow clone, but perhaps your shadow going around stabbing people.
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There are many ways to get a better handle of magic, most of which are more exciting than making our arcane marks less exciting. Controlling our shadow tendrils to do more stuff with them is legitimately cool, but it's not that motive that drives people to include mark control in their plans, and it wasn't that mark that was in the alternate plan besides.
 
Andres said:
@Boney, from whom can we acquire books on the Old Ones? The queen and Deathfang mentioned them so Mathilde knows they exist now and giving her some knowledge about them is something I'm interested in, if only to contextualise other stuff.
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Slann, Southlands Slann, Ulthuan, Naggaroth, Athel Loren, Laurelorn, Albion, Cathay, Khuresh, Dragons, Dragon Ogres, Fimir, Prometheans. Though actually getting the books out of them would require varying amounts of effort.
 
Boney said:
Slann, Southlands Slann, Ulthuan, Naggaroth, Athel Loren, Laurelorn, Albion, Cathay, Khuresh, Dragons, Dragon Ogres, Fimir, Prometheans. Though actually getting the books out of them would require varying amounts of effort.
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I'm torn between being impressed that those three even hang onto books and being bewildered that they are even options to get books from.
 
Shane_357 said:
When it comes to 'female ogres' you can always just go the Terry Pratchett route and make 'woman' a new and exotic idea a few members of a dual-sex race with a mono-gender culture have decided they like.
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I mean, gender isn't really something people decide though? More like, figure out.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Gender is a social construct, a society that makes no distinction between what is masculine and what is feminine would have only one gender. If then a portion of that society saw a another culture that does have gender distinctions and decides to adopt some or all of them then they decided on a gender.
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Plenty of societies have decided that theres only two genders. That makes them cruel and dumb, not right. Same applies to only one.

Valmond said:
Sorta true.
BUt gender being a societal construct, i could see a society without genders, encounter the concept and some of them identify with the idea.
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I would hardly call it gender a societal construct, but yea identifying makes perfect sense, that's a world of difference from ""deciding"" though.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
I mean, gender isn't really something people decide though? More like, figure out.
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As I understand it it's more... that you find a societal gender that best fits you, then don that. Or create one, if you can't. An being from a single-gender culture might experience encountering a dual-gender culture and feel that they've found something that fits better.
 
Amantalado said:
I'm torn between being impressed that those three even hang onto books and being bewildered that they are even options to get books from.
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...well Dragon Ogres have metal, at least, to record on, Prometheans presumably carve their epics upon eons-old bones that have found rest in the abyssalpelagic depths, and Fimir I think use hides. Usually human.
 
Shane_357 said:
As I understand it it's more... that you find a societal gender that best fits you, then don that. Or create one, if you can't. An being from a single-gender culture might experience encountering a dual-gender culture and feel that they've found something that fits better.
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Yea, figured you meant something like that. I just personally really don't take well to the word decide in that context… some less than pleasent local culture movements are convinced it's a decision, as in "I decided this morning i wanted toast" kinda decision, with all the nasty stuff that implies.
 
Rafin said:
Actually isn't there among the Golds, as long as you use a bit of creativity? Tale of Metal can be cast on an item which purposefully had information being shown and expounded during its creation. Breach the Unknown can be cast on an item whose only purpose is to exemplify and explain a concept, thus teaching said concept near instantly. Both could types of items could also be enchanted with their particular spell so that one casts said spell automatically on itself (while saying a key phrase), thus allowing people who can't cast the spell to access the knowledge within.
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I actually did think of that, which is why I specified direct knowledge transfer. While this can probably be used as a secure "ciphered" message, it does use a material medium.
 
Boney said:
Slann, Southlands Slann, Ulthuan, Naggaroth, Athel Loren, Laurelorn, Albion, Cathay, Khuresh, Dragons, Dragon Ogres, Fimir, Prometheans. Though actually getting the books out of them would require varying amounts of effort.
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Now I wanna try to convince a dragon to let us copy their books.

It's not taking anything from the hord, and if we bring copies of our own library in turn, they'd be loosing nothing and gaining new stuff.
 
Is familiar obsession a twoway street? Like I'd imagine if Mathilde got REALLY obsessed with her "dog" she might start dressing him up in cute little clothes or some other weird shit.

But if the familiar obsession got really bad would Wolf also be stuck being perma depressed whenever Mathilde wasn't around because he immediatly would start to greatly miss her if she was away for like 5 minutes?

Or even worse cause some sort of Hachi situation?
 
Boney said:
Slann, Southlands Slann, Ulthuan, Naggaroth, Athel Loren, Laurelorn, Albion, Cathay, Khuresh, Dragons, Dragon Ogres, Fimir, Prometheans. Though actually getting the books out of them would require varying amounts of effort.
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I suspected the dwarves wouldn't have information on the Old Ones but I'm neverthless surprised. They're an elder race and have the best record-keeping in the world, and yet even the fimir know more about the Old Ones than they do. What happened in their early history that they have such a dearth of knowledge in this area?
 
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