I think we may be talking past each other. My point is we would be taking the fingerprints of proscribed gods whom no one including the major gods gives a damn about.
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I think we may be talking past each other. My point is we would be taking the fingerprints of proscribed gods whom no one including the major gods gives a damn about.
WhiteNights
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If the friend asks you not to photograph his friend group that's still respect.
Sucks, and you can always choose not to be their friend. But then don't expect them to be your friend or even like you after.
It's not his friend group it's his species. I assure you that Gundred is not his friend and neither is Gork, but we would be bound not to use the crystals on them either just on Ranald's says so.
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I believe DragonParadox is saying that the gods Lupercal listed aren't ones we will be experimenting on, and the minor evil gods we will target like Gunndred won't go tattling to Morr on us (or even if they do Morr won't care so long as we don't poke Him or his).
Edit: trying to clear up misunderstanding, if wrong let me know and I'll remove, don't mean to take anyone's words or anything.
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WhiteNights
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Well, you don't know that, since you don't even want to ask.
That's your choice. And if you want to risk the "better ask forgiveness than permission" that's your choice.
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1) You don't betray friend like that, seriously that's a dick move.
2) 'Ranald is purposely looking the other way' sounds to me like wishful thinking, which is the last thing you want to do with a God.
3) I doubt that Ranald will tell us to drop all of this (if he does I'm fine with it too). Yes if he does knows this there are bigger risks but… if he will be implied in it anyway that means that we would give us a greater help in doing it. So if you want research there is a legit chance that you can achieve more working with Ranald rather than behind his back.
4) Ultimately however we have more than enough shit on our table right now. It would be cool having Ranald help us out doing this but to be honesty if he told us 'hey that's nice and all but you reeeelly should not do this or I'll not be able to protect you from all the other Gods' I would be even a bit relieved tbh.
1) You don't betray friend like that, seriously that's a dick move.
2) 'Ranald is purposely looking the other way' sounds to me like wishful thinking, which is the last thing you want to do with a God.
3) I doubt that Ranald will tell us to drop all of this (if he does I'm fine with it too). Yes if he does knows this there are bigger risks but… if he will be implied in it anyway that means that we would give us a greater help in doing it. So if you want research there is a legit chance that you can achieve more working with Ranald rather than behind his back.
4) Ultimately however we have more than enough shit on our table right now. It would be cool having Ranald help us out doing this but to be honesty if he told us 'hey that's nice and all but you reeeelly should not do this or I'll not be able to protect you from all the other Gods' I would be even a bit relieved tbh.
I think you have just moved the goal posts. My point is 'if we choose faith Ranald's word goes about all gods with no question' ergo the relationship between him and Mathilde is not friendship as it is too unequal.
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I would argue that the idea Ranald doesn't know about this is wishful thinking.
What's more unlikely, the god of sneakiness who before now has shown up to every one of our similar experiments and turned our way just from the mention of his name by another person (during the expedition) is now completely missing this as we experiment with his very divine artefact and essence, or that the god of sneakiness is looking the other way to prevent religious war.
In the worst case scenario and it really is the that we're wrong, Ranald has made his displeasure known quickly and appropriately (that is not immediately smiting) when he finds out, and there's no world in which we can proceed with Truth without him finding out. In which case, we apologise.
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Friends do not need to be equal. Anton is a friend, but I would not call him Mathilde's equal, and if he ever brought something to Mathilde's attention about wizards, then the most obvious thing for him to do would be listen to whatever Mathilde says, since she is a wizard and he is not.
Omegahugger
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Hang on, isn't faith basically just wishful thinking, making it the very first thing you want to do with a God?
Friends to not need to be perfect equals, but when one is willing to subject himself to another, literally makes ritual sacrifice and propitiation to another the notion kind of breaks down. How would you take Anton sacrificing in Mathilde's name in the hopes of earning her favor or averting her wrath?
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Not to jump on you specifically, but I've seen a few people say things like this, and I don't think it's true? He showed up during the "investigate the Coin" research action we took a while back, but we asked for the Gambler's Blessing on that action, so we were deliberately drawing his attention to what we were doing. I know of no AV action where he showed up/made his attention known other than the one where we bound the Asp in the first place, which we had Ranald's Blessing on.
If I'm missing something, please correct me. I agree that him showing up when Ljiljana talked about him was interesting, but I don't think he's been present in any way we know for certain during the AV experiments.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
Unless you have an alternative explanation for why Ranald didn't notice us poking His Coin with snake juice? Because this:
Has one obvious explanation to me.
Time constraints are a pretty reasonable concern, though.
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There is no expectation placed upon Anton that he ask Mathilde's permission before looking at another wizard.
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Even the second-rate proscribed god of Sharks and Shipwrecks, Stromfels could rip a person in half over a simple altar that was hundreds of miles away from anything in his usual domain. I'm thinking in the presence of a divine artifact, even a minor god can have a major reaction to something happening.
WhiteNights
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No.
It's just that you think you know what Ranald's answer is going to be. But we don't.
And I have stated already that I rather take the chance and stop divine research if it means even worse odds of losing Ranald's favor.
Ah yes, being ripped in half, very frightening. I'm sure it will be suitably uncomfortable to pull our legs back so the seed can stitch them up. We are not Journeywoman Weber anymore.
I'm sure Stromfels will enjoy being punched in the face with Kragg's belt as well.
It does not matter what the answer will be, we know how Mathilde would feel about a negative answer and that feeling is one of submission unsuitable for a friend.
