Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
You can't even keep it cohorent in your single sentence, is it fingerprint or DNA for you?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I confess, I do find that super tempting, though it would require us to have a way to get to KD again.
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- Omniverse #1345
Exposing mathilde directly to the imprint of malevolent gods seems distinctly unwise. These crystals are only a tiny drop of power, but one she already has is mindbending. Exposure to proscribed gods is probably unpleasant at best. At worst it's accidentally creating a minor divine artifact for a proscribed god.
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- On a Journey Through The Decade
[x] Truth
Just studding it shouldn't be to bad. It's not like divine juice is going to corrupt us, and we aren't deciding to do anything with what we learn yet.
Just studding it shouldn't be to bad. It's not like divine juice is going to corrupt us, and we aren't deciding to do anything with what we learn yet.
We can take a gyro to the kurgans and then use them to get up to Dum. It is a lot easier to get one Grey Wizard up there than a caravan full of dawi.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Also you:
So no, I didn't take you out of context.
Seriously, the guy's saved our life repeatedly, even against Khorne, and We've done stuff for him in return. Maybe it's not quite equal, but there is definite give and take.
Also, non-consensual research is gross and wrong, and a thing we should avoid.
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- Omniverse #1345
I mean that's exactly what chaos corruption is. Now we aren't going to go intentionally poking chaos or anything we think even has a risk of being chaotic. But divine energy is pretty explicitly mind-altering.
Yes you did take me out of context, note I struggle not to dislike, followed by me saying why I do not dislike him.
How consensual are the gods when they meddle in the lives of men... including for their own amusement not even study?
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- Denial
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- She/Her
🤷♀️ I voted truth. I just object to the characterisation of Faith as unthinking submisssion. You are right about the dwarf thing though, that was a bit dickish on his part. It's one of those pranks that could potentially go really bad and he's lucky it didn't.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
If the Grey Order needs you to assassinate an Empress, you don't ask them for permission before assassinating the Empress, as that denies them the plausible deniability required to assassinate an Empress:
And stealing Cult Secrets is on that same level of severity:
So why wouldn't the same principles apply here? Why is it "very unlikely" that Ranald would want deniability, if we started poking at the secrets of other gods?
Especially because, again,
He should have known, unless He didn't want to know.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Good thing that is not what we are doing? We already done it once so we know how to do it safely. And it is mindbending when she looked directly at them and she was able to handle it so not an issue.
This is wrong in all accounts. We are not exposing Mathilde nor will we creating anything but crystal captures of them. It is safe otherwise Mathilde would make note of it already.
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- Internet, The
Sacrifice has to be meaningful. This includes the one your sacrifice to actually caring about it. Even if Ranald doesn't approve of this particular project, I doubt he would seriously dislike Mathilde doing any further divine research in general. She has been doing this for years and (with one exception) with his tacit acceptance and, as I recall, actual help at some point via the coin.
Sacrificing any research ever would be overkill.
Sure, we cannot count on it. Same as when Mathilde did her other research on the coin. The moment Ranald asked her to stop she did.
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- Denial
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- She/Her
If there was a real chance we could succeed and we were between jobs and we had the resources I'd vote for it.
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- New England, State of Confusion
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- She/Her
[x] Faith
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- DOOR STUCK DOOR STUCK PLEASE I BEG U
Ranald on the faith option
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Sure but again I'll ask you what I asked Shane earlier, where do you see us finding another source of divinity to research that is remotely even equivalent to this?
We have something that will allow 100% replicable results, this is basically the best lead for divine research we will ever find.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
We are sacrificing/foreswearing the use of AV in divine research. It is meaningful since it is the first and so far only method we found that allows us to peek behind the curtain.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Boney compared it to holy water earlier:
Fair point, we did have "scout the Chaos Wastes" as an option before the expedition.
I find the "Ranald is giving us plausible deniability" argument fairly convincing, and it sways me a bit... but ultimately I think I like leaning in to the "Saint of Ranald" path more than the pure research path. They're pretty close, though; props to Boney for making such a compelling vote.
I mean... then what is setting up Heidi as an Empress? Because it'd be like your friend doing something very illegal knowing you'd be obligated to report them without your consent, and if you do not and it's discovered you could be sent to jail (or death).
Like, going by your logic Ranald already betrayed us, far more than we would be doing now (again according to your logic) and so you wouldn't want him as a friend at all.
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- Sweden
I am pretty sure Ranald would have her back on stealing a proscribe gods' imprint. Which the first batch of crystals would be off to prodd without risking animosity with good people.
Also imagine the reward if Mathilde laundered divine imprints to Ranald; Afterall most things are sacrificial, like the strange Moon shrine.
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- Omniverse #1345
Uh. What exactly do you think the crystalized essence of a god is? This is only a tiny amount, so unlikely to do anything drastic. But it's not perfectly safe. And that's ignoring the god in question noticing. And objecting. Given this has to be done in the presence of one of their divine artifacts that may be problematic. I'm sure we'll think of something if it comes down to it, though.
Still, I don't see this leading anywhere I want to go. The gods are interesting but… what does this do but give us a glimpse of their true nature?
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His.
I am switching to truth, and here is why. There is nothing saying that we must copy the signatures of other "good" gods. We could focus exclusively on the Horned One and Gork and Mork. Also, I don't see any other way to start the process of stealing some Skaven from the Horned One.
[x] Truth
[x] Truth
I feel it's more like making perfect photocopies of their ID cards.
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- Omniverse #1345
Ah, not too bad then. Still need to avoid anything chaotic, obviously, and the more malevolent of the non-chaotic gods are probably still not fun. But at least we aren't accidentally creating something they can do something meaningful through.
Anyway the real threat here is that to make the crystals we need to be in the presence of an actual divine artifact for that god (would a simple shrine work? If so that reduces the risk here. The Coin is a major divine artifact… as is everything mathilde thought to try it on, so hopefully we don't need it to be on that level). That's not a small thing, particularly for proscribed gods.
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