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- UK
[X] Faith
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Don't go ask the member of a club if he's cool with you taking candid shots of other club members, it puts them in an awkward position regardless of whether they're cool with it or not.
In fact asking them and forcing them to make a call isn't exactly what I would say is being a good friend.
Also like the tons of other proscribed cults that also exist and cause trouble, often because they're hard to identify from another sect.
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- Location
- Canada
Haven't gotten through the entire thread since the update yet, but here's my thoughts.
Truth feels like if we go truth we will probably find out a bunch of cool stuff, but it is knowledge that would be very difficult to share, due to the whole blasphemy thing.
OTOH while we're not likely to get knowledge of the same depth with faith, I remain hopeful that the gods would not throw away a potentially useful tool, and at least some would be willing to work with us on it. For instance, I suspect Shallya might be interested in allowing more healing miracles to take place, if AV were provided to people who are already trusted priests. Now, I don't suspect all God's would be fine with this, but I suspect that by partnering with the gods that are willing we will get results that are more widely usable.
Plus faith seems more in line with our WEBMAT mission, which is collaboration between wizards and priests. Note that we went for collaboration, not surreptitious secret theft; we want them to be willing participants. With the faith option, we might be able to use AV to get a spellcasting priest on staff if we find a willing god.
Truth feels like if we go truth we will probably find out a bunch of cool stuff, but it is knowledge that would be very difficult to share, due to the whole blasphemy thing.
OTOH while we're not likely to get knowledge of the same depth with faith, I remain hopeful that the gods would not throw away a potentially useful tool, and at least some would be willing to work with us on it. For instance, I suspect Shallya might be interested in allowing more healing miracles to take place, if AV were provided to people who are already trusted priests. Now, I don't suspect all God's would be fine with this, but I suspect that by partnering with the gods that are willing we will get results that are more widely usable.
Plus faith seems more in line with our WEBMAT mission, which is collaboration between wizards and priests. Note that we went for collaboration, not surreptitious secret theft; we want them to be willing participants. With the faith option, we might be able to use AV to get a spellcasting priest on staff if we find a willing god.
- Location
- Finland
Studying Gods would only start with our own because they are safer and easier. There are high potential rewards (and risks, but risks are fun to read about) in studying the not-so-good Gods as well.
Plus, if our Gods are good, why not add a few more? The status quo is not actually very great. The forces of order are regularly threatened by the forces of Chaos, and even the 'peaceful' times aren't actually all that nice to live in.
Plus, if our Gods are good, why not add a few more? The status quo is not actually very great. The forces of order are regularly threatened by the forces of Chaos, and even the 'peaceful' times aren't actually all that nice to live in.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
Does it even need to invole Ranald at all after this? Why keep bringing him up. We can have our projects without his okay.
I mean, Ranald set up Heidi as Empress without telling us nothing at all and it could have caused a great deal of trouble for us.
When we discovered it (mind you not because he told us to) we should have reported that to the Grey College, yet we didn't because Ranald is our friend and we trust him not to fuck it up. I just expect Ranald to do the same if the situation is reversed.
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- Location
- London
[X] Truth
Time to shake the world.
Time to shake the world.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Having now caught up... can some of the more 'throw everything at the wall to see what sticks' and 'you MUST vote this, otherwise [insert perceived failing here]' arguments please just... stop? At this point, there are a few people on BOTH sides who are doing far more to convince me to vote against their preference than for it.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
There are others. I remember Stormfels and Khaine from the top of my head and there is others we can go after if we like. We haven't decided to whom we are going to go after yet.
- Location
- Denial
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ok sure, but by that definition I have unthinking submission toward all of my friends and family as they do to me (at least I hope so) so yes unthinking submission is a sign of friendship.
Ah yes something deeply personal... which is to say the workings of their species in general. Tell me does Ranald check with us before doing anything linked to humanity? Me thinks this friendship is deeply unequal... almost like it is something else.
Honestly I have to struggle not do dislike Ranald when i hear stuff like this, the only thing that keeps me from it is that he never claimed to be a friend, that was Mathilde deluding herself.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
It's a betrayal in the same way that investigating a friends deep past without asking is. Is stealing your friends DNA to run a 23andMe on them ethical? If you say yes, I don't want you as a friend, at the very least. It's why consent is important in medical experiments, and we quite simply aren't asking for consent. It's gross.
Look, if you hate Ranald so much, just go out and say it. He has never done anything bad to us and saved our life a number of times, including against Khorne. Clearly that's a sign of an asshole who's just using us.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
No gods like Gundred, or Khaine or any number of smaller divinites or like the orc gods.
Just because the update mentioned some trivial ways to get imprints of the major imperial deities doesn't mean we can't do so with others.
MacroDaemon
Lachrymose Lapis
[X] Truth
Well then I guess we can expect Ranald to reciprocate. I eagerly await him checking in with us whenever he does anything linked to the Empire, the Colleges or the Karaz Ankor.
[X] Truth
I get the feeling Ranald would be the sort of god fine with both massively upending the god-man relationship and with a follower sacrificing such a radical conceit in his name; is probably why he didn't smack us down to begin with...
I get the feeling Ranald would be the sort of god fine with both massively upending the god-man relationship and with a follower sacrificing such a radical conceit in his name; is probably why he didn't smack us down to begin with...
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Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
False equalence. We are taking pictures and not much more than that.
In this case the betrayal of Ranald has already happened (Though frankly I disagree with the way you characterize it) . We don't have to ever intentionally involve his "DNA" in any further investigations. But due to the way the vote is structured if we ever want to take a swab of a crime scene to see if we can figure out the culprit we need to vote truth.
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Me: *the relationship is too unequal and not friendship as it is defined*
Response: Why do you hate Ranald?
Seriously I am just confused at this point.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
- Location
- Behind the Keyboard.
He didn't ask us even when we got declared dwarf because of his manipulations.
That was far more intrusive than what we have done. More to point his part of this experiment is over. We are talking about other gods now.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
No, it's really not. That's his 'fingerprint' we are talking about, that we are about to do science on to determine more about the gods. Sounds like DNA to me.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Truth
