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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
She is also the goddess of scribes who are against printing... :V

Just don't expect her to be aligned with our interests.
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Isn't that a different god? Scripsii I thought her name was.

Boney said:
If your main priority is continuing the research, there's no benefit to telling Ranald. Either He's against it and bad things happen, or the consequences for what happens if it gets found out just got a whole lot worse for everybody because now Ranald is implicated.
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Ok this seals it for me, Faith it is. I'd like to do this but if we can't do it with Ranalds backing to help us if something goes wrong Truth just becomes straight up suicidal megalomania.
 
To be fair, the Grey Order does seem like they would have records on divine anatomies somewhere in their records. Not that I'm saying we should make it a reality, but still.

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Faith results in Mathilde being able to use this discovery, without researching it. What I mean is she'll have no idea how it works, but Ranald could probably upgrade the Coin to do something similar, or have some other benefit, or some new blessing.
 
Boney said:
The case for why Ranald might have went unspoken because it's obvious, she's mucking around with His Coin and His energies and it's not impossible that that might have drawn His attention. The case for why He might not have is less readily apparent.
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This is very interesting…

Is Ranald deliberately looking the other way? Ranald may want Mathilde to go ahead with this but also want plausible deniability that he didn't know she was doing this in case she gets caught!
 
Garlak said:
... Even if it really is like that, then... I kinda want to know what that act of piety and sacrifice results in.

It's a mystery box, yeah, but I want to know what's in that mystery box.

Though I'm not sure that it's... hrm. I dunno if it's necessarily exactly what you outlined here, the mentality here, but. Even if it was, I think I'd be okay for going for that.


Personally, I was treating the "Sacrifice to Ranald" option as the "I want to sacrifice this to Ranald and see what happens."
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I haven't made up my mind, I am just arguing against what I see as poor arguments in particular the argument that Faith is asking Ranald for permission and proceeding from there. I agree that faith is a mystery box, but it is a mystery box separate to both Truth and Prudence and should be treated as such.
 
Yessss make a collection and write a book on the secrets of the divines you stole. It will sit på perfectly next to your heretical text on necromancy, deep underground, in a dawi vault. Muahahhaha!
 
Alratan said:
This is very interesting…

Is Ranald deliberately looking the other way? Ranald may want Mathilde to go ahead with this but also want plausible deniability that he didn't know she was doing this in case she gets caught!
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It's not impossible. The Grey Order operates that way in some circumstances, where forgiveness after the fact is sometimes granted when permission could never have been given if it had been sought beforehand.
 
Jreengus said:
Isn't that a different god? Scripsii I thought her name was.
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Depends. Many Gods tend to have "aspects" that are often worshipped as different gods, more focused and specific. Sometimes they're viewed as simply an aspect, other times they're kinda different (like a different gender and "personality"). Examples of this include Renbaeth the Shrewd, God of Lawyers who is considered an Aspect of Verena, Scriptisisi, the Goddess of Scribes, and Clio, Delver into the past and God/dess of History (Boney also said they were a god of scribes but I don't know where that's from, they're usually a History god). All of them are considered aspects of Verena, but often worshipped separately. Lawyers worship Renbaeth, Scribes worship Scriptisisi and historians worship Clio. Verena is more general, as she includes all Judicial officials and enforcers as well as every type of scholar.
 
Garlak said:
Are you in the clear because you didn't steal gold from Fort Knox or the Vatican, didn't rob the government, and instead merely usurped the ability of the Chaplain or Mayor to do Chaplain-y or Mayor-y things?

Even if you are not stealing from the sheriffs wallet or the donation box at church, if you are intentionally putting yourself into a place where you could take over the cultural and emotional and religious role that the local church leads... is that still okay?
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Where the hell are you even getting that from?
That line of research won't let us impersonate a god or something, or at least not deep into the research tree and after many votes in that direction.
What it will get us is better understanding of gods and their relationship with the Aethyr. The big payoff here isn't becoming a god or tricking their followers, it's getting a piece of the puzzle that no one else has ever been able to get. Divine magic and how it relates to Wind magic has perplexed scholars ever since Teclis gave his non-answer to that question. This vote is a way to solve that mistery.
 
If this is Ranald deliberately looking the other way, then Faith could be exactly the wrong response, as it would be betraying letting down Ranald's faith in her understanding the unspoken message and getting on with the job.

Edit: Mathilde sees Ranald as a friend, not a superior to have blind faith it, and I hope he reciprocates.
 
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This will be the HEIST of the millenia atleast! Ranald knows Mathilde wouldn't damage him, he only stopped her last time to protect her.

Now how do we steal the Magic portfolio imprint from Tzeentch... Fifth face of Ranald the street magician. 🤔
 
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The most obvious reason a god could pretend being two different deities in two different pantheons is to get more worshippers. How many imperial citizens would worship a god if they knew for sure they are actually Elven?
 
Alratan said:
If this is Ranald deliberately looking the other way, then Faith could be exactly the wrong response, as it would be betraying Ranald's faith in her to pick up the unspoken message and get on with the job.
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I'm pretty certain Ranald wouldn't be be cross with us for not licking dynamite.

This option is insanely dangerous. We already have the book, we don't need another secret that bad.
 
Boney said:
For the record, you should operate under the assumption that you will lose forever what you are sacrificing. The Gods get real stroppy about people that try to wriggle out of that, just ask King Minos about his marriage problems. It's not impossible for Ranald to pull a Binding of Isaac and allow you to keep what you were about to sacrifice, but that's definitely not something you should be counting on.
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Just for clarification I was of the understanding that we were sacrificing the crystallised divine essence (which seems like a pretty good offering) not the process/knowledge involved in its creation. Is that a good understanding of the option?
 
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