Does this mean he survived the raid?
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I think Hultressa ,in the last chapter, said his father didn't survive the raid. Maybe I read it wrong or Hult simply don't have the full picture due to being a child/memory issues. It happened with her assuming Eldrya dead. I imagine re-union would be quite emotional for all how one sister "fell" more than other.
Edit: For a moment I hoped he might have survived but by qm's word, he died in the raid. At least Gwendolyn will have a "grandfather" figure in Frederick.
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Unfortunately, while Hultressa and Alyssa were the first two victims of the raid to be enslaved, the raid went beyond them. That's what the smoke in the distance was implying. It was a small corsair fleet raid, spread out a bit to cover the most ground. Lord Suncrest certainly lived through it, as did the overall settlement was able to rebuild, but they were a good way away from any of the major glorious marble cities and spires of Tiranoc that were rebuilt after the Sundering. Lord Suncrest repelled the raid, but not before significant damage to his town, and many citizens dead or taken.
The corsairs might have pushed further, harder, but their sorceress patron had found an unexpected prize in two young Asur girls with a hidden spark of magic that she thought to utilize.
My thinking went that if the father went to see the Lord that day, then he may have been inside said Lord's castle, near his household retinue, and thus had a chanse to live and continue the family. Mostly out of desire to see a potential family reunion.
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I mean even if he survived the raid that doesn't mean he survived all the centuries afterwards to present day. Especially since he would be suffering from massive depression over the fact that his daughters were presumably dead or captured by the dark elves and thus dying anyways just painfully and slowly.
Pretty much.
He could still live, but that's a lot to ask of a middle class Asur who has lost his wife and daughters. Depression and Ennui see the end of many elves before their time.
Additionally most elves don't live to see a millennium for any number of reasons. A Tiranocci craftsman living on the coast away from a major city has lower odds of making it than any Asur in the inner kingdoms.
He could still live, but that's a lot to ask of a middle class Asur who has lost his wife and daughters. Depression and Ennui see the end of many elves before their time.
Additionally most elves don't live to see a millennium for any number of reasons. A Tiranocci craftsman living on the coast away from a major city has lower odds of making it than any Asur in the inner kingdoms.
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Let's manifest a happy ending instead for Hultressa
Alyssa seemed motivated by fear and self-interest and desire to not be powerless, to not be wounded by words or lash. While Hultressa seemed to be averse and withdrawn.
The bit where Alyssa laughs over the actions of the humans taking shelter being futile... that seems like it was pretty obviously her reflecting on, and thinking about, how "futile" her and her sister's actions in the Druchii raid that captured them were, no?
"Run away and get captured anyway. Go back for your sister who fell, get captured anyway. Leave your sister behind and run for yourself, and you still get captured anyway."
The only conclusion that you can come to after that? Is probably along the lines of "The only way out is through."
That you can't fight evil or hide from evil or sacrifice others to buy a reprieve. The only option is to become evil and/or powerful yourself.
The strong do what they will, and the weak suffer what they must. No -- more than suffer. Suffering implies a sort of independence of action or identity; the weak are owned by the strong. They have no destiny outside of being the tools or slaves or servants of the strong, who do as they will.
So be strong. Or be trod underfoot and be a slave.
Whereas, meanwhile, Hultressa... was pretty blatantly and obviously withdrawing into herself. Disinterested in pursuing power. Disinterested in the rat race. Disinterested in socializing. Little interest or care for things. It's not that she'd be happy working some modest job -- maybe she would be, maybe she wouldn't be, it's not really possible to know because she didn't even have that choice nor even have enough passion to want a hobby really -- it's that she hated her surroundings and wanted as little to do with them as possible and wanted to be left alone.
Alyssa... gives off of the feeling of somebody who's pride or ego was hurt. Hurt by being enslaved and humiliated and punished. And who would never be hurt or insulted again. Any insult or slight that was given to her, she'd pay back.
She was weak and vulnerable once, and she'll never be again. Because in this world, you're either weak and a victim, or you're strong and the one with the boot on others' throats.
Hence -- a desire for power and control. Ambition that is rooted in fear and insecurity. It feels like ultimately having a fragile self-image. Not true ambition or hunger for power. But something meaner and nastier. Something that curdled in darkness and weakness. That started in weakness and humiliation.
No wonder somebody like that would never understand Hultressa, as Hultressa said in the latest main update. Alyssa only sees power, because she really (I am guessing) obsesses over never being weak or never being the target of humiliation or punishment ever again. Whereas Hultressa just wants to get the fuck out of here. And also has kept enough of her heart to be capable of caring for another person, like Gwendolyn. Whereas Alyssa would never allow herself to care for another person like that, because it'd all be about power, control, security, fear, and dominance, for her.
The bit where Alyssa laughs over the actions of the humans taking shelter being futile... that seems like it was pretty obviously her reflecting on, and thinking about, how "futile" her and her sister's actions in the Druchii raid that captured them were, no?
"Run away and get captured anyway. Go back for your sister who fell, get captured anyway. Leave your sister behind and run for yourself, and you still get captured anyway."
The only conclusion that you can come to after that? Is probably along the lines of "The only way out is through."
That you can't fight evil or hide from evil or sacrifice others to buy a reprieve. The only option is to become evil and/or powerful yourself.
The strong do what they will, and the weak suffer what they must. No -- more than suffer. Suffering implies a sort of independence of action or identity; the weak are owned by the strong. They have no destiny outside of being the tools or slaves or servants of the strong, who do as they will.
So be strong. Or be trod underfoot and be a slave.
Whereas, meanwhile, Hultressa... was pretty blatantly and obviously withdrawing into herself. Disinterested in pursuing power. Disinterested in the rat race. Disinterested in socializing. Little interest or care for things. It's not that she'd be happy working some modest job -- maybe she would be, maybe she wouldn't be, it's not really possible to know because she didn't even have that choice nor even have enough passion to want a hobby really -- it's that she hated her surroundings and wanted as little to do with them as possible and wanted to be left alone.
Alyssa... gives off of the feeling of somebody who's pride or ego was hurt. Hurt by being enslaved and humiliated and punished. And who would never be hurt or insulted again. Any insult or slight that was given to her, she'd pay back.
She was weak and vulnerable once, and she'll never be again. Because in this world, you're either weak and a victim, or you're strong and the one with the boot on others' throats.
Hence -- a desire for power and control. Ambition that is rooted in fear and insecurity. It feels like ultimately having a fragile self-image. Not true ambition or hunger for power. But something meaner and nastier. Something that curdled in darkness and weakness. That started in weakness and humiliation.
No wonder somebody like that would never understand Hultressa, as Hultressa said in the latest main update. Alyssa only sees power, because she really (I am guessing) obsesses over never being weak or never being the target of humiliation or punishment ever again. Whereas Hultressa just wants to get the fuck out of here. And also has kept enough of her heart to be capable of caring for another person, like Gwendolyn. Whereas Alyssa would never allow herself to care for another person like that, because it'd all be about power, control, security, fear, and dominance, for her.
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Gonna be awkward introducing Gwen to her grandparents...
Assuming they survived...
Great analysis. I think Alyssa's desire for power to not feel pain and weakness may even be tied into why she joined the Cult of Pleasure in a way. Now I wonder if she was kinda talking about herself when she said the following back in the auction: ""I promise you, Druchii, that all the pain we have suffered will be returned a thousand-fold, and through that pain…," she pauses and practically bites the next word as it escapes between her gleaming white teeth. "Pleasure.""
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And yet, she does. In her own twisted way. She loves Hultressa and Gwen... Same way Nurgle loves Isha and Shallya.
She wants them. There still yearing in her, warped and molded by those who oppressed her.
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I fear the only time we'll ever see Hultressa cry is when she's holding a dying or dead Alyssa.
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Something I noticed, Hultressa and Alyssa isn't their original names.
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I wonder if they even remember them
I wonder which sister was which. Which one fell behind, and which one hesitated and tried to help the first one, in the first Druchii raid? We're not really told. It can be either of them. And Alyssa can be humiliated and feel the hopelessness or pointlessness of the human raid, whichever sister it was she was in that situation. Either she had been the one to help her sister only to get caught and thus it was inevitable, or she saw her sister try to help her and both got caught anyway; but even running away and abandoning wouldn't have done anything anyway.
It's not necessarily necessary to know. I think the mystery can work either way. Because it's the unique personalities and the reactions to their circumstances that determined the destiny and future of Alyssa and Hultressa. One to seethe. One to withdraw.
A sort of "You didn't hurt me or humiliate me! No, I liked that pain! But I'll give you back ten times as much pain anyway. For the presumption of imposing your will upon my will." Though it's also probable or likely that she came to it through a search for power and secrets as well. Power, secrets, and pleasure.
Maybe pleasure played a bit part. Life sucked, so might as well take something nice from it. Make it something worthwhile. While also at the same time, the fear of lack of control and the seething, also played a part in things too. As well as the hunger for knowledge or power.
It can be a whole brew of messy and messed up emotions and motivations, really.
Play around with that psychology a bit, and it might have led towards Nurgle's despair and desire to be master of your despair instead. Or Tzeentch and the desire to Change your situation; that, if you are doomed to be in a world of constantly shifting power plays... you might as well embrace the roiling chaos and be master of disorder, no?
But Slaanesh was quite simply more historically and culturally available and abundant in Naggaroth. Thanks, Morathi. And also seems to simply be more tempting to Elves than the other Chaos Gods, even if bloodshed or scheming are also very quintessentially Druchii. Pleasure Cults are more common than other types of cults. Khornate Elves just seem rare; perhaps Khaine simply has too deep a dominance of all Elf bloodshed? Tzeentch... the Elves are scheme-y enough on their own, too, somehow, and are not really drawn to him. The Dark Elves shed blood and they scheme, and they revel to excess. But somehow it feels fitting that it is Slaanesh that can attach itself to that niche. Whereas bloodshed remains Khanite, and scheming and magic remains non-Tzeentchian.
Nurgle seems likely to happen to more isolated or isolationist Druchii perhaps. There was the one Nurgle worshipper in the Malus Darkblade books; she became that way because she was abandoned in her despair. Because otherwise, Druchii probably wouldn't want to go for the other thematics of Nurgle; the rot and the bloating and the sickness. Nurgle, even if Druchii feel fatalism or despair, probably doesn't have any easy social chink in Naggarothi society. Who wants to form secret cults around worshipping their own fatalism or misery? Even bloodshed, scheming, or excess, are more social activities. Hence, it feels like Nurgle would have to isolate individuals or cut off communities in order to turn them to him, whereas other Chaos Gods might have easier times infiltrating Druchii societies, at least theoretically even if practically only Slaanesh seems to have had any historical and cultural success. The influence of Morathi, and just dark elvish disposition, perhaps.
It's not necessarily necessary to know. I think the mystery can work either way. Because it's the unique personalities and the reactions to their circumstances that determined the destiny and future of Alyssa and Hultressa. One to seethe. One to withdraw.
I could see that being how Alyssa came around to Slaanesh, yeah. "If you're going to be hurt by the world, you might as well have it be on your terms."
A sort of "You didn't hurt me or humiliate me! No, I liked that pain! But I'll give you back ten times as much pain anyway. For the presumption of imposing your will upon my will." Though it's also probable or likely that she came to it through a search for power and secrets as well. Power, secrets, and pleasure.
Maybe pleasure played a bit part. Life sucked, so might as well take something nice from it. Make it something worthwhile. While also at the same time, the fear of lack of control and the seething, also played a part in things too. As well as the hunger for knowledge or power.
It can be a whole brew of messy and messed up emotions and motivations, really.
Play around with that psychology a bit, and it might have led towards Nurgle's despair and desire to be master of your despair instead. Or Tzeentch and the desire to Change your situation; that, if you are doomed to be in a world of constantly shifting power plays... you might as well embrace the roiling chaos and be master of disorder, no?
But Slaanesh was quite simply more historically and culturally available and abundant in Naggaroth. Thanks, Morathi. And also seems to simply be more tempting to Elves than the other Chaos Gods, even if bloodshed or scheming are also very quintessentially Druchii. Pleasure Cults are more common than other types of cults. Khornate Elves just seem rare; perhaps Khaine simply has too deep a dominance of all Elf bloodshed? Tzeentch... the Elves are scheme-y enough on their own, too, somehow, and are not really drawn to him. The Dark Elves shed blood and they scheme, and they revel to excess. But somehow it feels fitting that it is Slaanesh that can attach itself to that niche. Whereas bloodshed remains Khanite, and scheming and magic remains non-Tzeentchian.
Nurgle seems likely to happen to more isolated or isolationist Druchii perhaps. There was the one Nurgle worshipper in the Malus Darkblade books; she became that way because she was abandoned in her despair. Because otherwise, Druchii probably wouldn't want to go for the other thematics of Nurgle; the rot and the bloating and the sickness. Nurgle, even if Druchii feel fatalism or despair, probably doesn't have any easy social chink in Naggarothi society. Who wants to form secret cults around worshipping their own fatalism or misery? Even bloodshed, scheming, or excess, are more social activities. Hence, it feels like Nurgle would have to isolate individuals or cut off communities in order to turn them to him, whereas other Chaos Gods might have easier times infiltrating Druchii societies, at least theoretically even if practically only Slaanesh seems to have had any historical and cultural success. The influence of Morathi, and just dark elvish disposition, perhaps.
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I don't know if Alyssa remembers much but Hult remembers the names. She had a brief dialogue with Fred after Eldyra woke up. Took me a bit but I found the quote in case you are curious:
Huh, if Hultressa/Tanrala survive this and manage that meeting with the Everqueen there may be a future where Tanrala is a Handmaiden.
See Gwendolyn is going to need a lot of personal attention to find a balance for her condition and I can see a case for both mother and daughter ending up as personal projects for Alarielle. Gwen to pull from Khaine's grasp. Tanrala as a case study in reforming Druchii to exist as productive and happy members of Asur society.
Not likely something that would happen in Frederick's lifetime. This would be a potential future for them in a century or two.
Course that depends on a specific series of outcomes that are very unlikely.
See Gwendolyn is going to need a lot of personal attention to find a balance for her condition and I can see a case for both mother and daughter ending up as personal projects for Alarielle. Gwen to pull from Khaine's grasp. Tanrala as a case study in reforming Druchii to exist as productive and happy members of Asur society.
Not likely something that would happen in Frederick's lifetime. This would be a potential future for them in a century or two.
Course that depends on a specific series of outcomes that are very unlikely.
I'm very pleased you caught that! I very deliberately did not name them, even during the duel scene. Their instructor was about to speak on Hultressa, but which of the two sisters actually struck the other down in that moment was not specified.
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Hmm I wonder did Hultressa and Alyssa participate in Malekith invasion of Ulthuan?
Yeah, the duel scene can work either way. Perhaps it is the first time that Alyssa overcomes Hultressa, and becomes emboldened by it. Begins to believe that maybe she could be powerful. Or that maybe her sister could serve her. Is only good for playing second fiddle to her. Perhaps it's the scene of Alyssa being emboldened by success, and beginning to be rewarded by Screamtaker. Success builds on itself and feels rewarding. And also, success can breed more success, and can result in you pulling further ahead of the competition.
Or perhaps it is where Hultressa beats Alyssa, and feels a bit of confidence or glory from it... and Alyssa takes that poorly. Remembers feeling humiliated. Remembers seeing Hultressa feeling triumphant and surprised. And hating herself for her weakness, or she feels like Hultressa humiliated her or fed upon Alyssa's humiliation. Was reminded of her weakness. Again. And resolved to never be that weak again. Maybe there's an element of inferiority complex in that because of that, maybe not. Maybe she thinks she needs to put her sister in her place, so that Hultressa never feels like she is stronger than Alyssa, like that duel proved, where Hultressa appeared surprised that she won for a moment and thus got a moment of confidence and self-assurance -- and that self-assurance or confidence in herself, is a threat to Alyssa. Because her competitor feeling or thinking that she is above Alyssa or is stronger than Alyssa, means that Hultressa might oppose Alyssa. So you have to beat her down and make her change her mind, so that she can submit. Have to convince her in her own mind that she is lesser and needs to submit.
It could have been either sister, it could have been either situation. What ended up happening, was that Alyssa dove into power and control and ambition, and Hultressa dove into seclusion or isolation(ish).
They were both placed into the Naggarothi environment, but they reacted or chose or grew in different ways. Even for all their similarities in upbringing or circumstances or luck.
Heh. Perhaps it's impossible to tell how much comes down to "I was different and thus turned out differently, despite the same situation we were in" versus "I am not that different from my sister; I could have been, could have turned out, just like her. Only a few things went differently." In the end, they wound up in different spots. Probably because they were different people and reacted differently and/or chose differently too.
By the time that Alyssa doesn't present the reward to Screamtaker from the both of them, they're separated. One views things more transactionally or as less of a team. Does not immediately or innately include her sister as part of the unit. But just as another person to gauge where they stand and how much to give them or use them or what.
Yep! They were part of the GWAC. It was after everyone realized Malekith done got got and zooped himself into the Realm of Chaos that Mellis decided NOW was the time to go bananas on Albion. She'd gathered up enough obscure lore and knowledge to have some idea as to the power she could gain there, and she figured - correctly - that Morathi was going to be running damage control back on the mainland of Naggaroth. Hultressa and Alyssa were sent sieging the White Tower along with many others, but the White Tower held out fine, and in the end, Mellis played things super cautiously and retreated her forces back to the Claw at the appropriate time and then pulled out. She - Mellis - was not of the group that had allowed their lack of loyalty to become evident enough to the Witch King to use them as sacrificial pawns.
Alyssa had heard rumors of 'some' raid on Ulthuan, but she hadn't realized it would end up being the GWAC.
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Hmm did they temporarily face any of the high elves big names? Like Teclis?
Nah, Screamtaker was being very careful and cautious, and frankly thought that this invasion of Ulthuan was for the birds given how it was going. The Asur were on the run outside of their main holdouts, but the Everqueen was not found, and the maneuvering was growing lean, they were taking casualties the whole time, and frankly she had better things to do. If she actually thought they would really, really win, she might have committed more to it, but as it was, she got one look at how up close clashes at the White Tower were going, and decided to keep her Coven and troops in a more supporting role on the field, retreating in good order when the time came. Alyssa was furious, there was shit ton of power they could have taken from the White Tower if they managed to break in. But Mellis saw the writing on the wall like Malekith did when he summoned N'kari and the other daemons.
