Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Gonna put this, with some additions and extra fat, into the FAQ one of these days since they've come up again.

The Three Major Canopy-Cities of Laurelorn

Yn Edryl Ladrithilin = As close as to a capital city as there can be amongst the Eonir. The Dawnglades, more literally The/Our Glade of Apex Dawn. The most populated of the three major canopy-cities in Laurelorn, it is located a relatively distance away from the Dawnstone Pinnacle, and was grown upon and through the remains of one of the last great cities of the Asur Colonists before they forswore Ulthuan in the distant past.

Yn Edryrl Ladrilalilecail = The canopy-city that is the dominated by the Sunweaver Kindred and those subordinate kindreds. Known as Brightgrove, more literally The/Our Glade of the Splendorous Noble Sun. The Sunweaver Nexus resides literally within the base of the tree which has grown up and around it, while the canopy-city itself has become the greatest expression of magical power, skill, and education amongst all of Laurelorn. A counterpart, some murmur, to a certain High Realms of Argwylon.

Yn Edryrl Wyldycharoceyl = The westernmost canopy-city, dominated by no one specific kindred, but rather by a culture of those more in tune with the beasts and nature spirits of Laurelorn. Known as the Wildscourt, or more literally The/Our Glade of Wild and Ferocious Order.

Other Location Of Note

Dreaming Depths = Deep crevasses in the western hills where the Forest Dragons of Laurelorn slumber.

Dawnstone Pinnacle = Kindred-home of the Dawnstone Kindred, centered around the Dawnstone Pinnacle, a Nexus of Waystones far more powerful in scope than the 'average' singular Waystone located in the Old World.
 
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Smiggy Balls said:
I was just looking at the relations with other places page and have a question. Is 4/10 or 5/10 the baseline? Because if it's 5/10, what the heck did we do to piss off the entire realm of Bretonnia?
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Freddy is "The Steel Bull of Ostland, Graf of Guns, Count of Cannons, Creator of the Blue Steel Concordant,". The thread pushed their heavy pro gun agenda using Freddy. The ruling class of Bretonnia is raised to not like guns. Kislev has slavery, Bretonnia does not, Freddy pushed for that alliance.
 
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torroar said:
Yn Edryl Ladrithilin = As close as to a capital city as there can be amongst the Eonir. The Dawnglades, more literally The/Our Glade of Apex Dawn. The most populated of the three major canopy-cities in Laurelorn, it is located a relatively distance away from the Dawnstone Pinnacle, and was grown upon and through the remains of one of the last great cities of the Asur Colonists before they forswore Ulthuan in the distant past.
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Does this mean there are like ruins of the old city on the ground? Are they inhabited or just left to be overgrown?
 
torroar said:
Only handfuls of such casks remain, and are essentially literally never opened no matter what, hidden away in the greatest, deepest, most defended of vaults, with no living dawi's eyes having alighted on them since the Time of Woes and likely before.
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The big question though; would and could Bugman even try to attempt to surpass those brews if he had a taste?
 
Orkus Majorkus said:
Does this mean there are like ruins of the old city on the ground? Are they inhabited or just left to be overgrown?
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It would be more accurate to say that they aren't ruins at all, I'll be editing that. It's more that Tor Lithanel gradually had a tree basically sort of absorb it. The central high Tor itself, like the one at the center of every Asur settlement, is actually inside the main tree trunk itself, with it's innards - of the stone Tor that is - mostly filled by tree. There remain some gaps, allowing movement inside while granting a slight bit of flexibility to the tree's trunk. The rest of the buildings either crumbled and formed natural boulders, rocky patches, or general natural looking formations, or were quite literally carried up into the skies whole. Or at least, some were reassembled there. The top of the capital, as in the canopy itself, is a mixture of Asrai and Asur aesthetics, full buildings of stone and metal mixed with sung-woven wood and branch and leaf. More of Tor Lithanel is up in the tree top than is not, truth be told. Most of it is up there. But it's identity has been pretty much subsumed by Yn Edryl Ladrithilin.
 
torroar said:
Gonna put this, with some additions and extra fat, into the FAQ one of these days since they've come up again.

The Three Major Canopy-Cities of Laurelorn

Yn Edryl Ladrithilin = As close as to a capital city as there can be amongst the Eonir. The Dawnglades, more literally The/Our Glade of Apex Dawn. The most populated of the three major canopy-cities in Laurelorn, it is located a relatively distance away from the Dawnstone Pinnacle, and was grown upon and through the remains of one of the last great cities of the Asur Colonists before they forswore Ulthuan in the distant past.

Yn Edryrl Ladrilalilecail = The Canopy City that is the dominated by the Sunweaver Kindred and those subordinate kindreds. Known as Brightgrove, more literally The/Our Glade of the Splendorous Noble Sun. The Sunweaver Nexus resides literally within the base of the tree which has grown up and around it, while the canopy-city itself has become the greatest expression of magical power, skill, and education amongst all of Laurelorn. A counterpart, some murmur, to a certain High Realms of Argwylon.

Yn Edryrl Wyldycharoceyl = The westernmost canopy-city, dominated by no one specific kindred, but rather by a culture of those more in tune with the beasts and nature spirits of Laurelorn. Known as the Wildscourt, or more literally The/Our Glade of Wild and Ferocious Order.

Other Location Of Note

Dreaming Depths = Deep crevasses in the western hills where the Forest Dragons of Laurelorn slumber.

Dawnstone Pinnacle = Kindred-home of the Dawnstone Kindred, centered around the Dawnstone Pinnacle, a Nexus of Waystones far more powerful in scope than the 'average' singular Waystone located in the Old World.
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Interesting.

If I may ask what's the "Rural-urban divide" like for lack of better terminology? I know they've got a pretty big population, and don't really have a sense of scale for how big Larelorn is aside from...fairly...also magic. Nor an understanding of the habits of elves that might make them prefer to live in cities or in smaller groups outside of them.

MoonSerpent said:
The big question though; would and could Bugman even try to attempt to surpass those brews if he had a taste?
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I feel like he'd certainly try, but the dwarves are typically stuck in the mindset that they'll never equal their ancestors. Probably not, but even if he did I imagine he'd never recognise it he'd just keep chasing in his mind an unattainable peak.
 
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Marlin said:
Freddy is "The Steel Bull of Ostland, Graf of Guns, Count of Cannons, Creator of the Blue Steel Concordant,". The thread pushed their heavy pro gun agenda using Freddy. The ruling class of Bretonnia is raised to not like guns. Kislev has slavery, Bretonnia does not, Freddy pushed for that alliance.
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I mean yeah I figured the Bret's wouldn't exactly like us being gun-wielding, alcoholic savages, at least in their eyes, but I didn't know that they had that much of a problem with Kislev's slavery. Like I'm not totally sure on the comparison between the two, but doesn't some of Bretonnia's treatment of peasants, at least in some realms, come at least somewhat close to it, or nah?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Interesting.

If I may ask what's the "Rural-urban divide" like for lack of better terminology? I know they've got a pretty big population, and don't really have a sense of scale for how big Larelorn is aside from...fairly...also magic. Nor an understanding of the habits of elves that might make them prefer to live in cities or in smaller groups outside of them.


I feel like he'd certainly try, but the dwarves are typically stuck in the mindset that they'll never equal their ancestors. Probably not, but even if he did I imagine he'd never recognise it he'd just keep chasing in his mind an unattainable peak.
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Dwarf craftsmen through the ages:



That being said, one could argue he's already been trying - to be called the finest brewmaster of the Karaz Ankor, and to the degree your production has a noted effect on your entire civilization's collective morale, does probably include an implicit expectation to at least strive close to the ancient masters. Or at least not shame them.

And from another perspective? In a sense, Bugman doesn't make the greatest brews fit solely for the rarefied highest of heights, to be sealed away untouched by mortal hands forevermore. He makes the finest brews for everyone. Expensive, sure - but anyone from commoner to thane to king can have a Bugman's, and feel better about their day.

In that respect - which does more for the Karaz Ankor?
 
Blackangel said:
Can you name some other great protags from other WHF quests? I'm interested to know if there any other major badasses like these 3.
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Lord Vik'el'mal of Zlatlan is funny teacher kind of a Mage-lord whom consider the GREAT VORTEX as a 'quaint work of his pupil'
There were also Quest on SB called Warpscaping that's a fun amalgamat.
there was also a Fate crossover I was not intrested in, but holds potential.
 
Blackangel said:
Can you name some other great protags from other WHF quests? I'm interested to know if there any other major badasses like these 3.

The only one I can think of that is on their level is not even a warhammer fantasy, it's the age of strife quest protagonist. Both of em. The stone family was badass.
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Erika Kurtsdottir from Of Wolves And Eitches
 
Miffychan said:
In that respect - which does more for the Karaz Ankor?
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Yeah, but that's a (healthy) human perspective, not a dwarven one.

Dawi civilisation isn't where it was at its peak, but it has kept on trudging and has made advancements, but many dawi don't really care that they've appreciably advanced say their engineering tradition beyond what Mogrim taught them, there's just the shame of "that was good enough for Mogrim who didn't need any of this fancy black powder." etc.
 
Smiggy Balls said:
I mean yeah I figured the Bret's wouldn't exactly like us being gun-wielding, alcoholic savages, at least in their eyes, but I didn't know that they had that much of a problem with Kislev's slavery. Like I'm not totally sure on the comparison between the two, but doesn't some of Bretonnia's treatment of peasants, at least in some realms, come at least somewhat close to it, or nah?
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We pretty much had no interaction with Bretonnia during the entire quest, save for our meetings with Roland. A baseline opinion of 5/10 which represents ambivalence, or even a bit lower like 4/10 due to our reputation as the graf of guns actually makes a lot of sense.
 
Smiggy Balls said:
I mean yeah I figured the Bret's wouldn't exactly like us being gun-wielding, alcoholic savages, at least in their eyes, but I didn't know that they had that much of a problem with Kislev's slavery. Like I'm not totally sure on the comparison between the two, but doesn't some of Bretonnia's treatment of peasants, at least in some realms, come at least somewhat close to it, or nah?
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Yes, but this is a culture thing. The 'civilized' groups do not have slaves. Those that have slaves are "not-us", the true civilizations of Men. It's just one part of the reason to dislike Freddy, the guns are the big reason, and why Bretonnia nobility relations are 4/10 and not 5/10. Consorting with Kislev is it's own thing, but there are in-the-world-of-the-quest arguments for how that turned out, and Freddy interacting with a Slaver is going to color perceptions.
 
Smiggy Balls said:
Bretonnia's treatment of peasants, at least in some realms, come at least somewhat close to it, or nah?
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Marlin said:
Yes, but this is a culture thing. The 'civilized' groups do not have slaves. Those that have slaves are "not-us", the true civilizations of Men. It's just one part of the reason to dislike Freddy, the guns are the big reason, and why Bretonnia nobility relations are 4/10 and not 5/10. Consorting with Kislev is it's own thing, but there are in-the-world-of-the-quest arguments for how that turned out, and Freddy interacting with a Slaver is going to color perceptions.
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Also gotta remember cultural double standards.

What she's doing is slavery, serfdom like they practise is A-OKAY, cause that's how they've been doing it for centuries, the peasants don't complain and its blessed by their patron goddess.

I am being somewhat hyperbolic, there are differences between slavery and serfdom, the Brettonians for example are meant to have some duties to their peasants I believe. My point however is even if the systems are essentially one to one the Brettonians ain't going to look at theirs and go "eh she gets a pass."
 
Doomed Wombat said:
nteresting.

If I may ask what's the "Rural-urban divide" like for lack of better terminology? I know they've got a pretty big population, and don't really have a sense of scale for how big Larelorn is aside from...fairly...also magic. Nor an understanding of the habits of elves that might make them prefer to live in cities or in smaller groups outside of them.
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Well, to go off of this previous quote:

torroar said:
She is also a Highborn of Laurelorn, and much as how Naraiel runs the Dawnstone Kindred aka the Wood Elf equivalents of 'clans/noble houses/etc.', Yhanna Sunweaver runs the Sunweaver Kindred and rules from Yn Edryrl Ladrilalilecail, a vast and powerful canopy-city of Laurelorn which is built amongst the boughs, trunk, and underground root caverns of a truly massive tree - the tree being the city and the city being in and amongst the tree. Her realm is known as the Brightgrove, and the name of her city translates to 'The/Our Glade of the Splendorous Noble Sun'. She is essentially a peer power but positionally is subordinate to the Glade Lord of Laurelorn i.e. Naraiel Dawnstone. The Eonir of Laurelorn have three major canopy-cities, but the cities can be almost ghost towns on occasion as the elves wander and nomadically move about the forest as is their inclination. At other times, the cities are flush with elven lives that would be the equal of most human cities and would engender great bitterness in certain kingdoms of Ulthuan. It depends on the season, yeah?
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You have larger Kindreds, which are effectively whole Clans/Noble Houses, and the smaller Kin Bands which can either be formed solely of one Kindred or might spontaneously come together or split apart out of myriad elves. Basically everyone is technically part of one Kindred or a other though. It's a lot more loosey goosey than the more regimented societies of the Asur or Druchii. It's also not the same as the Asrai Kindred definition. For the latter, Kindred are quite small groups simply of like-minded/aligned individuals, with it basically being that Asrai in general are just great multitudes of small communities that all live in the same mega forest. Like ones dedicated solely to defence, or the Dancers of Loec being Kindred bands, etc.

I mean, even going through Asrai Kindred stuff it's specifically referencing stuff like the Pine Crags and Asrai specifically stuff, so much less about Laurelorn's culture and decisions.

So for Laurelorn, they're a bit more organized into greater swathes of their kind rather than a thousand thousand handfuls.

Being as they are Wood Elves, if not Asrai but Eonir, a lot of them are extremely inclined to basically be nomadic a lot of time. Literally just spending decades and centuries hunting and gathering, communing with the forest spirits, traveling into the depths of the forest and along its edges. It's a dangerous place, even for the Eonir, so they're basically constantly sharpening their skills.

But as noted, as the seasons change, so do they. They tend to congregate around the canopy-cities in winter, or at smaller settlements, as well as in fall/autumn. They're much more spread out during the Summer and Spring, full of life and vivaciousness. And uh, well. Fertility. But there is always a core of Eonir holding down the fort. Or tree, rather. Whether artisans who need more security and peace to do their work, those who are just inclined that way, hawk riders, or so on, the cities are never empty. It's just that due to their size they could appear ghost towns to those without the eyes and senses to perceive the Eonir around them.

And of course there are festivals, holidays, more sombre times of remembrance, etc. which can draw the cities to bursting at different times throughout the year.
 
And again, a reputation of 5 out of 10 seems like it would just represent a state of ambivalence towards us. Not really good or bad so much as apathic.
 
I do wonder sometimes, how much of a pipe dream it might be - to somehow manage to have Magnus the Pious see Laurelorn and their ruler and bring the Eonir into the Empire proper.

Probably massively so - but it's nice to daydream.
 
torroar said:
Made a basic map after a spare moment. Sorry for lack of quality. Couldn't get a bigger map, so it's a bit blurry.


View: https://imgur.com/a/StOm6An
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Huh, so they have a whole Canopy city on top a river essentially.
How hard would it be for them to create a harboar for river capable sea-vessels?
admitence being it's own matter.
Is the river wide/deep enough, and if not how hard would it be to 'alter' it to allow acces?
good natural defence. somewhat dwarf like . Certanly makes it hard to approach uninvited.


Fenrir44 said:
When the pop growth of nordland returns to previous levels they do need that lost territory back especially the coast
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I think them more likely outcome at this point is for Hohenzollerns to sell some of Ostland lands to them.
Especially from the not developed west prt of the Hohenzollern forest,
Could argue for it is Nordland then in return comits to creating and maintaining a road connecting central Nordland with Roezfles.
Profit for all, loss for none that matter.

Miffychan said:
Probably massively so - but it's nice to daydream.
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More likely some sort of accord or agreement, especially if Asur join in.
 
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watcheye456 said:
I think them more likely outcome at this point is for Hohenzollerns to sell some of Ostland lands to them.
Especially from the not developed west prt of the Hohenzollern forest,
Could argue for it is Nordland then in return comits to creating and maintaining a road connecting central Nordland with Roezfles.
Profit for all, loss for none that matter.



More likely some sort of accord or agreement, especially if Asur join in.
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Yeah no I dont see that happening by then freddy is death and his weight of prestige is not there to carry the weight of that desion so the nobles will more act up when we make action that goes against there intresst

Stefan had trouble in his own province when he gave away that land and only the fact that they could not fill it stopped any uprising

Now with our own fast growth as well a 100 or 2 years of time we dont have that probleem so the nobles and people will expect that land

And again freddy would not be there to take the hit
 
Profilozof said:
Its fine enough; sidenote I always forget how small nordland is nowdays, I do hope that they go Netherlands way and continue to play tall
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More like map is showing how much landmass they actually use since most of the forested region wasn't inhabited. Most of its population concentrated in eastern parts and coasts.
 
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