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Search is useful, and I will give it a try, but its such a specific question that could be worded in a number of different ways I am unsure if it would work. Thank you though
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Just try Ogham and Elves, or Ogham and Asur.
Sort of cannonically, as far as it ever got was Teclis during Gotrek and Felix saying that because one of the special actually-it-was-Lizardmen-the-whole-time locked into special pillars which made the whole Albion schtick work that after the adventure he'd need to bring some mages over to investigate mote. At least, that's IIRC.
Huh, thanks torroar. I was just doing a causal reread again and I came to Albion again, and it made me curious.
Yeah I dunno if we're going with Lizardmen as secret special catalysts or whatever for DoDA, I like the Ancient Albionese doing it with their mystical ongoing ritual design and what not a bit more. Besides, it's not like Teclis has been wrong before. He's capable of miscalculations, like that time he was responsible for massive parts of the End Times coming about >.>
As for how elves would be if they found out, I'm not sure. I doubt it would humble as many as you might hope, more likely confuse and/or enrage some that the humans dared interfere with their grand working as it could have been disastrous if they messed it up like humans always do, they'd probably respect it, but there's little they could do to 'improve' it that much - Albion is literally functioning as intended. Maybe dedicate some more naval patrols, but overextending an Asur presence on Albion could cause more problems than it solves as other parties investigate what has the Asur interested. Plus the Mists are keyed to the people of Albion, not the Asur, who struggle as much as anyone else trying to land, even with a literal Goddess of Mists.
As for how elves would be if they found out, I'm not sure. I doubt it would humble as many as you might hope, more likely confuse and/or enrage some that the humans dared interfere with their grand working as it could have been disastrous if they messed it up like humans always do, they'd probably respect it, but there's little they could do to 'improve' it that much - Albion is literally functioning as intended. Maybe dedicate some more naval patrols, but overextending an Asur presence on Albion could cause more problems than it solves as other parties investigate what has the Asur interested. Plus the Mists are keyed to the people of Albion, not the Asur, who struggle as much as anyone else trying to land, even with a literal Goddess of Mists.
And when Albion is in ACTUAL trouble the Lizardmen can and have thrown Nakai at it from across the globe. Nakai out of fucking nowhere is ALWAYS an option in any Warhammer fantasy quest. No explanation needed, apply huge silent lizardman.
That also applies to the chameleon skink who wanders the Warp itself yeah? Oxyotl I think his name is?
Not true for this quest. Otherwise he would have appeared to help with the Fimir ritual 99 years in the making to corrupt the island and summon Belakor.
Or, hear me out, the Lizardmen knew it was handled and so didn't need to get involved. They can peer into the future. For all we know a bad chain of rolls would have resulted in sudden giant crocodile man suddenly showing up to save the day.
And maybe eat us, but they are lizardmen. Expecting them to be TOO helpful is a pipe dream.
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Nakai with the steel chair! My God!
That or an RKO out of nowhere. Possibly through a table.
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Torroar gave us a frighteningly detailed scenario of what things would have been like without the Imperials providing the spark to overthrow the Fimir. Lizardmen intervention might have come…after Albion was rendered a nigh-unconquerable fortress utterly dominated by the Fimir.
I believe its not helpful to assume help will come just because it may have in canon.
A ton of things have diverted from canon and the availability and location of all factions are in flux.
We have Lizardmen in Norsca, a far stronger Vampire Coast, Malekith returned from the Warp decades ahead of schedule, an Ork Waaagh in the Southern Chaos Wastes and who knows how many other changes.
I mean, I don't assume that. I just find the idea that the odds of SUDDEN LIZARDMEN!!! being low but never zero to be hilarious.
What are they doing there? Nobody knows! Everyone just follows Nakai without asking questions because it's not like Nakai is going to tell anyone shit. We are not even sure Nakai knows or if he just ends up in important places by happenstance.
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I mean, there's a certain level of balancing needed to at least be attempted when running a quest. While it is technically possible for Nakai or Oxyotl to just sort of...show up whenever they want, it'd sort of be a bit crazy if they DID do that just whenever. I already have gotten guff that I'd like to not have to deal with again, just having Deus Ex Lizard pop up whenever Chaos is doing something would undoubtedly lead to just...me ending up having to read stuff that would be frustrating and/or hurtful or something.
I mean, you have to do it just the once. It's a hand that becomes rapidly overplayed if seen twice.
But I want, at some point, an inexplicable teamup with Nakai where we swap flask for gourd and go killing beastmen or something because while we have no idea what is going on killing beastmen is ALWASY the right answer.
"Why is the elector count riding a giant lizard?"
"No idea, but I want some of whatever he's drinking and a reload for my gun. He's riding towards the enemy!"
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i´d like that sort of thing to happen in the rumor mills at some point.
Like say, the typical chaos infighting with lizard beastmen thingie that at best even just hints at nakai. Like there being a super small chance of it happening and even then not with us but one of the bajillion chaos plots in the world.
I fully understand why it won´t happen but i´d think it neat
Like say, the typical chaos infighting with lizard beastmen thingie that at best even just hints at nakai. Like there being a super small chance of it happening and even then not with us but one of the bajillion chaos plots in the world.
I fully understand why it won´t happen but i´d think it neat
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You also have 'The Great Plan of The Old Ones' to hide behind, as in the lore the lizardmen have messed up before, as well as had debates on what exactly they should do now that the Old Ones are gone. The lizardmen aren't likely to just pop in one day out of complete nowhere, without some form of "The Plan Said" related to their actions. Though the lizardmen do have members that do their own thing that is not included in The Plan, such as raising a mountain range to block out druchii. But those are exceptions, are really radical slann, or have a immediate purpose.
Lizardmen mostly keep to themselves in the Southlands, and Lustria. Lord Hua-Hua did win that 500 year old debate about what the lizardmen should do about the younger races. Isolation and retaliation upon attack, or theft, as a societal policy seems like what won, with the main exceptions being anything the Great Plan says needs them outside of their temple-cities.
A Beast-tide of beastmen like what Malagor is doing is not likely to attract the Lizardmen. Before the Empire was a thing, beastmen were a problem and it didn't attract the lizardmen then. Much like how the massive Quiet Whaaagh, hasn't had the hint of lizardmen assassin attempts (With the skinks of the Southlands being so relatively close, the fact they didn't try, says something). The Lizardmen aren't really a active faction trying to plug in the potential Doomsday scenarios, so much as they let the crisis get extremely bad before they take action, the whole world must be about to face a crisis, not merely your continent, before trying solutions.
The Lizardmen were unaware of the goings on at Albion, I think you said in your explanation on the oghams and the Albion ritual to support the Vortex. But I do recall how you said that the Albish doing the assist was not part of the Old Ones Plan, thus the Lizardmen would not know or have anything related to Albion going on at all in the Great Plan. Hmm, though the fall of the portal gates wasn't part of the plan either.
Edit: There's also the False Moon War in I think 2418 IC where the Slann Mage Priest Tecciztec enacts a ritual aimed at pushing Morssileb out of orbit, it's kind of successful (shakes chunks of the moon off, that land onto Mallus), and only fails due to insufficient power. Though the lizardmen had been fighting against the moon off and on for millennia.
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With people talking about Nakai, Oxyotl, or someother named Lizardman showing up and helping to fight against chaos; I am kinda curious where they are getting their information. On the wiki for warhammer it does mention that Nakai randomly shows up to fight against chaos, but the only examples given are them helping the Lizardmen on Lustria.
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Wishful commenting, it sure would be nice to have a sudden assist from a faction that is devoted to kicking Chaos's teeth in during a EVENT. Like having a sudden arrival of a Questing Knight in Albion, or a Bretonnia assist with Karaz-a-Karak, or the BeastTide. Or Araby bringing it's full strength to beat up Arkhan the Black. Or all the allies show-up that Freddy had to assist Ostland against two Black Arks, "Where are the elves from the Arcane Fulcrum? Dirty elves, not saving us, protecting the fulcrum that is a building block to a victory for the game, dirty elves. CHAOS! Okay, they have a excuse."
That kind of train of thought.
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It was a specific plot point that Nakai was at one point (during one of the Warhammer Fantasy events) teleported into Albion to do a ritual there to supplement an Elven effort to stabilize the Great Vortex. Nakai also starts in Albion in Warhammer 2 Total War for this reason.
Nakai randomly showing up to fight chaos and or do some other inscrutable thing without explanation is the Games Workshop go to for why Lizardmen armies can be used during XYZ plot tournament.
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Years ago there was a big campaign called Shadows over Albion meant to indicate a free for all for the titular island, with the results of the campaign based on actual IRL games. Part of the fluff was Nakai showing up.
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Reminds me of a Tariff video (where a slann singing an opera song relating of just how screwed they are due to the starting zone in Immortal Empires mode), and one of comment chain is one of the Slann is asking for help, which leads every one of the lizardman LL saying they also cant make it either as their own starting zone is also in a crappy position and surrounded by enemies.