Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Yeah, so, rechecked and yes Nordland is the First Imperial Navy. Reikland's navy was old and leaky in the first place. Now, canon-wise out of respect to the Cult of Sigmar, Magnus apparently named Reikland's crap navy as the First Imperial Navy and named the more advanced and numerous and better maintained fleet of Marienburg as the Second Imperial Navy. And, eventually, after about a hundred years, and the Emperor at the time immediately post-Magnus was terribly impoverished with a very poor treasury.

And, apparently, canonically, the maintenance and building of new stuff for the Second Imperial Navy was levied upon the Emperor's treasury and not the province of Westerland at the time. And the Directorate offered to take all the fees and what not onto themselves, which the Emperor accepted, which relieved the burden on his treasury but effectively disconnected the Navy from him and then later the Directorate convinced the Emperor to let their personal merchant marine do the work instead of the Second Imperial Navy which was subsequently sold off piecemeal to wealthy merchants for themselves.

Then they seceded.

So...yeah.
 
torroar said:
Yeah, so, rechecked and yes Nordland is the First Imperial Navy. Reikland's navy was old and leaky in the first place. Now, canon-wise out of respect to the Cult of Sigmar, Magnus apparently named Reikland's crap navy as the First Imperial Navy and named the more advanced and numerous and better maintained fleet of Marienburg as the Second Imperial Navy. And, eventually, after about a hundred years, and the Emperor at the time immediately post-Magnus was terribly impoverished with a very poor treasury.

And, apparently, canonically, the maintenance and building of new stuff for the Second Imperial Navy was levied upon the Emperor's treasury and not the province of Westerland at the time. And the Directorate offered to take all the fees and what not onto themselves, which the Emperor accepted, which relieved the burden on his treasury but effectively disconnected the Navy from him and then later the Directorate convinced the Emperor to let their personal merchant marine do the work instead of the Second Imperial Navy which was subsequently sold off piecemeal to wealthy merchants for themselves.

Then they seceded.

So...yeah.
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That's the most disgusting piece of regulatory capture ive read about in a while, what makes it worse is that it wasn't like, planned by someone in marienburg
 
Massgamer said:
Good thing that Magnus is more... aware of Marienburg's shadiness and working on curbing it a bit.
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Plus the Empire is now in a state that, if we ever reach the point where Diedrich would have risen to power and let Marienburg go, I doubt he'll actually be able to. In the worst case scenario I'm certain a Hohenzollern/us would be able to take the throne and t-pose on them, barring horrible tragedy
 
torroar said:
Yeah, so, rechecked and yes Nordland is the First Imperial Navy. Reikland's navy was old and leaky in the first place. Now, canon-wise out of respect to the Cult of Sigmar, Magnus apparently named Reikland's crap navy as the First Imperial Navy and named the more advanced and numerous and better maintained fleet of Marienburg as the Second Imperial Navy. And, eventually, after about a hundred years, and the Emperor at the time immediately post-Magnus was terribly impoverished with a very poor treasury.

And, apparently, canonically, the maintenance and building of new stuff for the Second Imperial Navy was levied upon the Emperor's treasury and not the province of Westerland at the time. And the Directorate offered to take all the fees and what not onto themselves, which the Emperor accepted, which relieved the burden on his treasury but effectively disconnected the Navy from him and then later the Directorate convinced the Emperor to let their personal merchant marine do the work instead of the Second Imperial Navy which was subsequently sold off piecemeal to wealthy merchants for themselves.

Then they seceded.

So...yeah.
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The more I learn about Marienburg the more they seem like the economic version of Sylvannia.

And wow Magnus, way to drop the ball on Marienburg. It's kind of amazing how many problems stem from his lenience to the place.
 
It's generally implied that he never had the time to deal with them with the rest of the Empire being so ravaged by the Era of Three Emperors and the Great War Against Chaos. Organizing the Cults, repairing infrastructural damage, etc.

Marienburg being mostly free of such damage meant they were mostly okay, and the Directorate was careful not to gain his attention again or overly rock the boat until after Magnus' death. After all, it wasn't like they had a surprise economic competitor that began to, at least to the more paranoid among the Directorate, threaten them.
 
Well Manfred is deaf here so... One less issue.
But really marindeburg is on a verry Shaky position all thing considered especially since they somewhat annoyed their main cult and the emperor have less fires to put out.
 
torroar said:
It's generally implied that he never had the time to deal with them with the rest of the Empire being so ravaged by the Era of Three Emperors and the Great War Against Chaos. Organizing the Cults, repairing infrastructural damage, etc.

Marienburg being mostly free of such damage meant they were mostly okay, and the Directorate was careful not to gain his attention again or overly rock the boat until after Magnus' death. After all, it wasn't like they had a surprise economic competitor that began to, at least to the more paranoid among the Directorate, threaten them.
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So we the trident is the angrier and brute competitors, so the are more paranoid
 
@torroar

Been rereading the Beastmen bits, including the terrifying Sane. What's your headcanon on how Cygors come about if both they and Ghorgons are Minotaur cousins and the latter comes from excess cannibalism and drowning in gluttony?
 
Warpstones and general chaos buggery is the most likely culprit.

Since Cygor and their magic seeing eyes reminds me a lot of the Fimirs own abilities.
 
It's likely a myriad of potential factors. The whims of the Chaos Gods, a particular ordained birth, lucky/unlucky mutations brought about by diet, etc. For another reason, while there has never been any such thing as a Shaman Minotaur, Cygors sort of occupy the position of magically touched on a base level like shamans might be considered.

Or, perhaps it truly does come down to diet. Minotaurs are utterly gluttonous, and Ghorgons come about when the most powerful of that particular subtype of beastmen, as in to the point that they give up any pretenses towards leadership, towards control, towards even aggression towards humanity and civilization to focus solely on consumption of ever more meat and flesh. And yes, occasionally warpstone too.

Cygors, by contrast, are not horribly mutated Minotaurs. Their identifying characteristic is that they cannot, in fact, consume as gluttonously and continuously like Minotaurs, let alone Ghorgons. They can't due to the whole near blindness to the whole world save for the Winds of Magic. So I would say that Cygors are just unfortunately born, accursed from birth for the amusement of the Dark Gods. Bereft of commands from the absolute strongest of Bray Shamans, they usually just blunder around seeking out those who shine with the Winds of Magic - something they canonically can see from leagues and leagues away even if the rest of the world is a grey blur - or are sent demented visions from the Dark Gods themselves to make them trundle around.

So, really, Ghorgons are just Minotaurs, made more monstrous by their own choices and desires overwhelming them. Like calling a feral boar a much scarier version of a farm's pot bellied pig. Sorta the same thing, one is just worse than the other.

But Cygors are their own distaff offshoot sub-race. You don't ever see Ghorgons born, Ghorgons are what happens to the most powerful yet gluttonous Minotaurs. Cygors are born.

Both are utterly tainted from their very genesis thanks to the Chaos Gods doing so for their amusement.
 
torroar said:
Cygors, by contrast, are not horribly mutated Minotaurs. Their identifying characteristic is that they cannot, in fact, consume as gluttonously and continuously like Minotaurs, let alone Ghorgons. They can't due to the whole near blindness to the whole world save for the Winds of Magic. So I would say that Cygors are just unfortunately born, accursed from birth for the amusement of the Dark Gods. Bereft of commands from the absolute strongest of Bray Shamans, they usually just blunder around seeking out those who shine with the Winds of Magic - something they canonically can see from leagues and leagues away even if the rest of the world is a grey blur - or are sent demented visions from the Dark Gods themselves to make them trundle around.
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Cygors feel like a joke by the Chaos Gods to mutate one of their current followers to look more like one of their past ones, the fimir, since they have the whole one eye that can see Winds of Magic thing going on. The joke being that unlike a fimir as said the cygor can only see magic and nothing else.
 
Not sure why people are giving me hugs. I just meant the "cold" "cool" thing seeing as it comes off as a temperature joke, when it was unintentional.
 
I mean when something bad/weird happen it's a safe bet to say that the Chaos Gods are problably doing it for shit and giggle.
we all know how Tzeentch love to play "monkey paw" with his slaves and ennemies alike
Honestly the entire Beastmen race is the proof that's the Chaos gods have a shitty sense of humour
 
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