Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Well, my first reaction to this.
Fuck.
I personally lean towards leaving the Army of the Forest, but that might be the wrong call. I think it's the conservative option, but I'm not sure we can afford to go less than all out. I think that Swarm Strike would be pointless, but could be convinced on either of the other two options.
 
I'm seriously tempted to go Anvil here and call up the Army of the Forest to reinforce to guarantee as much damage to the Black Arks as possible. With perhaps the flagellants as a barbed net as well.
 
We're gonna need the army of the forest with us. As much as it leaves our vulnerable to the beast men our people should be hold up in our cities that have been prepared for a siege.

With two black arcs and our only sizable reinforcements are an unknown time away. It's all hands on deck.

We should also deploy the flaggelents as the barbed net. If only for the suprise factor
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
I'm seriously tempted to go Anvil here and call up the Army of the Forest to reinforce to guarantee as much damage to the Black Arks as possible. With perhaps the flagellants as a barbed net as well.
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Yah I am leaning toward going all in to call up army forces, go anvil and the only differnce for me is to have the flagellants in Salkalten too for maximum damage
 
Man, situation does not look good.

If most of subordinate fleet will head towards Nordland we could send our ships to Stephan to defend against that while we work a strategy to fight dark elves on land.

Like said before, we should bring out Soup Tank to get our tank numbers up to three and use that as an armored core alongside our ogres.
 
Woltaire said:
Yah I am leaning toward going all in to call up army forces, go anvil and the only differnce for me is to have the flagellants in Salkalten too for maximum damage
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Yep if the two arks hit us then we're going to need all our army's to have a chance of winning and I have a feeling there going to be hitting us. And though it may hurt Salkalten is a massive fortress we do it there we are in prepared positions so that will help us in fighting them.
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
Yep if the two arks hit us then we're going to need all our army's to have a chance of winning and I have a feeling there going to be hitting us. And though it may hurt Salkalten is a massive fortress we do it there we are in prepared positions so that will help us in fighting them.
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yah all the characters seem very very convinced we are either gonna get one or both of the black arcs hitting us so I am inclined to trust them on that and prepare accordingly
 
Woltaire said:
yah all the characters seem very very convinced we are either gonna get one or both of the black arcs hitting us so I am inclined to trust them on that and prepare accordingly
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Oh yeah I'm also inclined to trust them when they say the first option is unlikely to work and more like a suicide mission so that makes me disinclined to go through with it.
 
every man to the fight, anyone spread out will be hunted and slaughtered alone, group up.

ships go with anvil, let them smash into us and be struck by both sides
 
I'm thinking we do the Anvil and bring the Army of the Forest up. Sending out our fleets to nigh unwinnable chances just seems like a waste of manpower. Let the Flagellants spread out along the coast to harry the Druchii's landings.
 
[] Plan: Strike at sea
-[] Line Loop - Likely to ensure ruinous casualties amongst Fleet forces, allowing Black Ark(s?) closer towards the coastline and then surround them after they get close enough for possible long-range reinforcement from Salkalten's walls.
-[] Leave the Army of the Forest South - While they will not aid in the battles at the coast, they will be able to better protect the interior of Ostland should the Druchii make a march south, as well as any other unforseen threats.
-[] Barbed Net - Let the flagellants spread out in the now evacuated coastal settlements beyond Salkalten. Any ships that attempt to raid there will find a horrible surprise, and the flagellants may well manage to put some of the Druchii down. They will not, however, be available immediately if fighting occurs at Salkalten.

[] Plan: Salkalten and Fist
-[] Crushed Anvil - Highest chance of causing actual damage to any Black Ark that heads for the coast, unknown casualties for Fleet forces, meant to attack Ark once it has beached itself and is forced into one place.
-[] Leave the Army of the Forest South - While they will not aid in the battles at the coast, they will be able to better protect the interior of Ostland should the Druchii make a march south, as well as any other unforseen threats.
-[] Sacrificial Fist - Should one or both Arks hit Salkalten, they will likely unleash deadly creatures and troops that could be, possibly, slowed by the presence of flagellants throwing themselves forward. Retain them for just such a purpose.

[] Plan: Salkalten and Net
-[] Crushed Anvil - Highest chance of causing actual damage to any Black Ark that heads for the coast, unknown casualties for Fleet forces, meant to attack Ark once it has beached itself and is forced into one place.
-[] Leave the Army of the Forest South - While they will not aid in the battles at the coast, they will be able to better protect the interior of Ostland should the Druchii make a march south, as well as any other unforseen threats.
-[] Barbed Net - Let the flagellants spread out in the now evacuated coastal settlements beyond Salkalten. Any ships that attempt to raid there will find a horrible surprise, and the flagellants may well manage to put some of the Druchii down. They will not, however, be available immediately if fighting occurs at Salkalten.

I'm in favor of "Crushed Anvil", Salkalten is built for this, the Hohenzollerns have brought their best, the smallest advantages have been built up, and if we win, eliminating the Black Arks is a massive gain. A method to prevent the Black Arks from retreat? I'm for that.

The Army of the Forest choice is not that hard for me. Keep the Army of the Forest away from Slakalten, because we do need that army for any other emergency in the Province during the fight against the Druchii. Without that army, what does Magnus have available to use if the province does fall under a beastmen attack? And the Army of the Forest could still fight druchii away from the coastal focus. Don't wanna make it easy for the druchii to reach Wulfenburg for Magnus. If all of Ostland's fighting troops are at Salkalten, the druchii should just avoid Salkalten.

What to do with the flagellants? We already removed the populations of the coastal lands. We know one druchii knew where to find Magnus. It is reasonable to assume the druchii will know the flagellants will be in the coastal villages if we choose to send them there. I say send the flagellants to the coastal settlements as having fighters in those places hopefully will grant even a tiny attrition loss, or needed delay on the druchii advance. Perhaps it will make Salkalten the target of both Black Arks due to the coastal settlements reducing the defenders at Salkalten, and having defenders in those coastal settlements.
 
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Initial read is that the smartest move is not to go for damaging them but instead to minimize losses-this is but the first big fight, and Black Arks are notoriously difficult to best but…
But it's Druchii. They're built to ensure it will hurt. And turtling may just mean they get the shelling hooks out.
But trying to hurt them back and failing means really bleeding out but, I also am not so sure about the development of our own strategy, so I will now to those that have been working on such things.
 
Zaealix said:
Initial read is that the smartest move is not to go for damaging them but instead to minimize losses-this is but the first big fight, and Black Arks are notoriously difficult to best but…
But it's Druchii. They're built to ensure it will hurt. And turtling may just mean they get the shelling hooks out.
But trying to hurt them back and failing means really bleeding out but, I also am not so sure about the development of our own strategy, so I will now to those that have been working on such things.
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Reducing the Black Arks won't get rid of them, and it will lose us our ships to try and eliminate the Black Arks. Without our ships, even if we do win at Salkalten and the coast, how are we supposed to get rid of the Black Arks, or stop the Black Arks from retreating?
 
If we do Crushed Anvil then for it to be most effective we will need to bring up the Army of the forest no doubt to that in my mind. We'll need all the troops we can get for this.
soulcake said:
Please don't forget the Beastmen.
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I'm at least not but they've been quite for years worrying yes but we have a far more immediate threat in front of us in the form of the Black Arks and if we do not prepare everything we can for them they'll make us pay for that mistake.
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
If we do Crushed Anvil then for it to be most effective we will need to bring up the Army of the forest no doubt to that in my mind. We'll need all the troops we can get for this.
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That reduces the defence of the interior. We have Titan Cannon, Vapor Tanks, we have stuff to make up for not having a whole extra army. We have to cut at least one corner if we are to survive the druchii Black Arks, and the potential beastmen attack (we know it is innemient, behaving as if it cannot happen at all this one year is not a good assumption). We cannot go all in, otherwise we should have brought Magnus and Frederick Jr here.
 
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Marlin said:
That reduces the defence of the interior. We have Titan Cannon, Vapor Tanks, we have stuff to make up for not having a whole extra army. We have to cut at least one corner if we are to survive the druchii Black Arks, and the beastmen attack. We cannot go all in, otherwise we should have brought Magnus and Frederick Jr here.
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We have two titan cannons and two vapor tanks. Two tanks and two big cannons do not make up for an entire army. The Army of the Forest has about 50 extra cannons that can be used to blast Drucchi apart.
 
By the way can we have an option to move the army of the range as well. It's not like we can't order them to move. it is basically the same choice as move the army of the forest. We don't know in setting or out that they will be hit.
 
[] Plan: All in
-[] Crushed Anvil - Highest chance of causing actual damage to any Black Ark that heads for the coast, unknown casualties for Fleet forces, meant to attack Ark once it has beached itself and is forced into one place.
-[] Summon the Army of the Forest North - It will remove the Army of the Forest from their patrol routes throughout inner Ostland, but will provide significant reinforcement to Salkalten.
-[] Sacrificial Fist - Should one or both Arks hit Salkalten, they will likely unleash deadly creatures and troops that could be, possibly, slowed by the presence of flagellants throwing themselves forward. Retain them for just such a purpose.

if we are gonna do anvil we gotta to do it right and go all in on it cause we are gonna need all of that for that strategy.
 
Noroboro said:
We have two titan cannons and two vapor tanks. Two tanks and two big cannons do not make up for an entire army. The Army of the Forest has about 50 extra cannons that can be used to blast Drucchi apart.
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Well, I kept getting told that a titan cannon and vapor tank do actually make up for an entire army. That having those will absolutely be worth having as gamechanger elements for our fight with the druchii. That a titan canon can proably beat a hydra with one shot.

You tell me what stuff Magnus will have available to him if we take the Army of the Forest and put it on Salkalten, leaving Ostland... defenseless to any threat attacking it including druchii who make it past the coast?

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By the way can we have an option to move the army of the range as well. It's not like we can't order them to move. it is basically the same choice as move the army of the forest. But we don't know in setting and out that they will be hit
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They still deal with beastmen and other things in the MM though. The MM we have control over are not fully settled into.

Edit: Freddy has all the past turn wizards of Ostland at Salkalten too, which are force multipliers, and good enough to substitute the lack of the Army of the Forest.
 
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Any making of plans should take the Crushed Anvil and Barbed net into account thos seem the best options

And the Leave the Army of the Forest South option for if the beastmen do something
 
Marlin said:
Well, I kept getting told that a titan cannon and vapor tank do actually make up for an entire army. That having those will absolutely be worth having as gamechanger elements for our fight with the druchii. That a titan canon can proabbly beat a hydra with one shot.

You tell me what stuff Magnus will have available to him if we take the Army of the Forest and put it on Salkalten, leaving Ostland... defenseless to any threat attacking it including druchii who make it past the coast?
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Seriously? Who's saying that? One tank and cannon do not make up for 50 cannons and the thousands of men and women in the Army of the Forest. We do not know if a Titan Cannon can actually one shot a hydra since we've never actually seen it in use so let's not overshoot its possible damage. A singular tank cannot withstand an attack from a sorceress if she decides to hang back and blast it with a ritual, or if a Black Dragon decides to swoop down and crush it, or whatever other possible creatures the Drucchi have with them.

Magnus will have the Army of the Range and the reinforcements from Ostermark to back him up. Besides, it's not like Freddy and the armies are all going to die to a man at the coast. They have the ability to retreat and form up later to harass the Drucchi. Salkalten can be rebuilt, we've rebuilt it once before and we've rebuilt several towns after the Vampire War.
 
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