I understand Magnus would be disappointed with what Frederick did with the witch hunters and the cult of Manaan but we did go to Marienburg and get keelhauled so if Manaan forgave us isn't everything all right? Just a question I just want everyone's thoughts on the matter
 
Has torroar even stated that we'll get the option to vote on bringing the tank to the Meet or not? I haven't been paying super close attention to the thread since the last update.
 
I understand Magnus would be disappointed with what Frederick did with the witch hunters and the cult of Manaan but we did go to Marienburg and get keelhauled so if Manaan forgave us isn't everything all right? Just a question I just want everyone's thoughts on the matter
It is solved yes we choose the most extreme option to getting keelhauled and came extremely close to dyeing and after we had done so we got shown open divine favor in front of everyone, we also choose to burn all the dark elf ships and give away all our great ships to the cult.

Now some people myself included see the matter as done and dealt with but other people want to go and personally apologize to Magnus for causing all this trouble for him.

Edit: Thing is…. Why? The matter is done, it's over, everyone has moved on in the story so why even bother?

The problem I think is people really want Magnus to like us because well he's Magnus the guy that united an empire that brought everyone together and beat back chaos and the everchosen.

But I have a problem with that, Fredrick is not some child seeking favour or head pats from ANYONE telling him he did a good job doing this or that and we can feel good about ourselves afterwards for having done so.
 
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Has torroar even stated that we'll get the option to vote on bringing the tank to the Meet or not? I haven't been paying super close attention to the thread since the last update.
IIRC he wanted us to brainstorm about things to do at the Meet. Considering how much we've been talking about bringing the tank I wouldn't be surprised if we get an option to do so.
Edit: Two questions @torroar. First was the replacement scabbard Frederick got for Brain Wounder early in the quest made of gromril or something? If not how was it not destroyed by Brain Wounder's ridiculous sharpness?

Second, why exactly didn't the Bloodthirster at the Battle of the Three Armies not kill Frederick when it literally had him in its hands? That's been bugging me on and off since my second reread or so.
 
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Yes, the tank thing will now by an option due to significant discussion on it.

1. It was not. It was just held in place stiffly near the hilt. It wasn't destroyed, but it did get cut to ribbons a lot. Most of the time it was just to keep it from flopping about all over the place wildly, even a bit of containment of such movement is better than none.
2. Arrogance, I suppose.
 
I have a dumb question. Are Brettoian Knights locked to human? What if there were native raised ogres raised to knightly houses? Could they become Grail knights? Or is that a step too far?

As for the Bloodthirster thing? Probably because it makes a better narrative. That makes sense in universe due to daemons being more stories and ideas than anything else. It was adding Fred to its personal narrative or to Khornes.
 
I have a dumb question. Are Brettoian Knights locked to human? What if there were native raised ogres raised to knightly houses? Could they become Grail knights? Or is that a step too far?
I mean, technically possible for a nonhuman to become a knight and gain blessings of the Lady, but given the whole human superiority mindset good luck finding people willing to knight one. I mean, we made big waves making Urgdug the first Ogre knight in history after all.

Assuming bringing Tank does go through do hope talking to Nuln Gunnery School is an option, or at least Altdorf Engineering College to see what tech trades are possible.
 
[CANON] Oddities from Around the Empire: Odd Laws of Ostland and Why They Exist - REAPER35
Nuln Observer

Reporter: Gordin Halls

Oddities from Around the Empire: Odd Laws of Ostland and Why They Exist

Good evening readers,

Today I come to you with a new a new entry into our Oddities series. Recently the Count of Ostland shook things up by completely replacing the laws of Ostland with his own. While at the same time annoying a large portion of the cults and nobility. However, this reform did clear up several contradictory laws and, more importantly to us, repealed several silly laws. Having said that several rather silly laws seem to have remained in their legal code... Or are they really that silly. I'll let you decide.

The Ostland Goose Tax

That right readers, even the geese in Ostland have to pay their taxes. Specifically, every household outside the walls of a town or city must maintain a flock of geese equal to or greater than the members of said household. Further, every goose in Ostland is taxed three flight feathers per wing per year.

One might think with this (silly) tax in place that Ostland would be the main pillow producer in the empire... very uncomfortable pillows since goose down is used in normal pillows, but they are not. Actually, my sources tell me that this law was suggested and implemented by the Ostland Department of Military Affairs Logistics Division. It seems that Feathers are the bottle neck most often to be a problem when producing arrows. Most of the empire is covered in forests, and the arrowheads can be made from iron, steel, bronze, tin, copper, or even bone or stone. But good quality feathers seem to be much harder to source. Therefore, Oddly enough, it is the Graf of Guns that has solved this problem for his province.

In Ostland it is Illegal to sell Your Urine to a Unlicensed Buyer

It is Illegal to sell your waste to a unlicensed person in Ostland... Why would anyone want to buy your waste? You ask. Fertilizer maybe? But wouldn't only farmers want it then? Would they all be licensed?... Apparently not... This is a recent law instated after a recent incident where outlaws tried to assassinate a high ranking visitor to Ostland with large amounts of black powder. Apparently, our waste is explosive... Or something in it is once it is processed by alchemists or "Engineers". Now waste can only be purchased by state Licensed individuals in Ostland... Sounds like a forced tax scheme to me...

In Ostland it is Illegal to put a Bell on a Cat

With the popularity of cats becoming pets among noble women, many like to place a cute little bell on their cat's collar. This however is Illegal in Ostland... and some parts of Tilia... It is cited that placing a bell on a cat will interfere with it's ability to catch vermin, therefore is an act of TREASON by assisting the forces of Chaos spread disease and famine... There are rumors that there may be another reason... but my source that hinted at that has since disappeared.

Varying Alcohol Taxes

It should be interesting to know that alcohol sold in bottles or other small containers are taxed at a higher rate than that sold in kegs in Ostland. This is to discourage public drunkenness. Surprising for a place known for it's heavy drinkers. But it's not to discourage it's people from drinking... it's to incourage them to stay in the various bars and pubs... Instead of in the street either holding up traffic, knocking someone off some fancy contraption, or getting squished by a tank. the idea is that by taxing bottled, and therefor portable, alcohol at a higher rate than that sold in a keg, the drinkers will stay around the source of their drink, and not go stumbling through the streets since it's cheaper to just sit at the bar and drink with friends.

We thought you might find these Ostland oddities interesting. So until next edition. Good day.
 
Urgdug Greatbellow the Green Knight of the Lady

imagine a huge ass fully plate armored troll now on a equally sized motorcycle imbued with enough magic to make a elf nod in appreciation and can appear nearly anywhere around you.

Also ostland oddities are great, more please
 
In Ostland it is Illegal to put a Bell on a Cat

With the popularity of cats becoming pets among noble women, many like to place a cute little bell on their cat's collar. This however is Illegal in Ostland... and some parts of Tilia... It is cited that placing a bell on a cat will interfere with it's ability to catch vermin, therefore is an act of TREASON by assisting the forces of Chaos spread disease and famine... There are rumors that there may be another reason... but my source that hinted at that has since disappeared.
Oddly enough some cats learn to hunt and sneak around in spite of it and become really good at it, the bell acting as a form of arm weights. Still logical within the context of Warhammer in it's own way.
 
Thing is…. Why? The matter is done, it's over, everyone has moved on in the story so why even bother?
I don't have any strong feelings about Fredrick apologizing to Magnus, but the reason why we would do it are distinct from why he got keelhauled. We did the keelhauling as a penance to the cult of Manaan, we would apologize to Magnus because we inadvertedly threw a spanner in his efforts to have the cults cooperate.

There's probably still major beef between the Sigmarites and the Manannites because of what the witch hunters did in Ostland, and even though Fredrick isn't solely responsible for that he still carries some of the blame.
 
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I don't have any strong feelings about Fredrick apologizing to Magnus, but the reason why we would do it are distinct from why he got keelhauled. We did the keelhauling as a penance to the cult of Manaan, we would apologize to Magnus because we inadvertedly threw a spanner in his efforts to have the cults cooperate.

There's probably still major beef between the Sigmarites and the Manannites because of what the witch hunters did in Ostland, and even though Fredrick isn't solely responsible for that he still carries some of the blame.
Freddy knows what he did, and would probably do it again in a heart beat. Apologizing to Magnus will be completely hollow in the apology when there is absolutely no remorse or even acceptance Freddy was wrong in any way for screwing the Cult of Manaan in Ostland.

Edit: Freddy did keelhauling to appease Manaan, fix hurt feelings among Manaans' faithful, and ease the concerns of those who use the water trade routes to Ostland. Freddy did a form of penance sugested by the Cult of Manaan. Freddy himself, stood in support of his choices. Actions, not feelings, are Freddy's language. If Freddy can show Magnus he is sorry, that would make more in-character sense than saying he is sorry to Magnus. Which Freddy could be argued to have done by showing up to the Cult of Manaan in Marienburg for Manaan's anger to be appeased.
 
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Freddy knows what he did, and would probably do it again in a heart beat. Apologizing to Magnus will be completely hollow in the apology when there is absolutely no remorse or even acceptance Freddy was wrong in any way for screwing the Cult of Manaan in Ostland.

Edit: Freddy did keelhauling to appease Manaan, fix hurt feelings among Manaans' faithful, and ease the concerns of those who use the water trade routes to Ostland. Freddy did a form of penance sugested by the Cult of Manaan. Freddy himself, stood in support of his choices. Actions, not feelings, are Freddy's language. If Freddy can show Magnus he is sorry, that would make more in-character sense than saying he is sorry to Magnus. Which Freddy could be argued to have done by showing up to the Cult of Manaan in Marienburg for Manaan's anger to be appeased.
What? I don't agree with pretty much any of this, again.

In my eyes, Freddy did have remorse over these actions and he did regret doing them.

Hell, in fact, I think it's absolutely wrong to say that he thinks he'd do it again -- because he has more information now (and so do we) and so would not make the same choice again!

He now knows that the Waveborn could have solved the issue he was worried about -- of detecting all the cultists flawlessly and rooting them out entirely. And he now knows the big consequences his actions had on Sigmarite-Manannite relations and religious tensions too. And he now knows that it wasn't a Druchii plot either too. And he also knows more about the importance of Manann.. (though it's more like the players are more of aware of it now)... and would be more willing to be more careful about things now.

What are you talking about, 'he shows no regret and he'd do it again'? That was not the read of it I got at all.

Freddy learned from his mistake. And one of the steps to learning from your mistakes, is recognizing that you made a mistake in the first place.

Freddy stood in support of his decisions, sure... such as going "I thought it was the best way to do this" and "I thought it might be a Druchii plot." And then when it was revealed that it wasn't the best, or even the only, way to do it? That his swift brutality was unnecessary and caused a lot of collateral? He went "Well, shit." He was going to be doing penance anyway of course. But he also acknowledged that maybe he didn't choose the best option. He thought it was the best option at the time, with what he knew and thought then. When he got more information and more context, and also saw the after-effects of it, then he had the possibility for second thoughts or regrets.


Now, as for whether he should apologize through actions and help out Magnus by doing something... that's viable I suppose actually.

Is there something we could do? Hell, for that matter -- we could just go to Magnus and say "Is there something I could do?"

... We might get an answer of "No not really" which'd be unsatisfying. But, oh well.
 
Elector's Meet of 2343 IC Part .50
Moratorium For 1 Hour.

Elector's Meet of 2343 IC

It is a grim winter which greets your face as you prepare for your travel south. The past few winters, in fact, seem to have been stronger than usual. You try not to think too hard about the fact that many of the coldest winds blow southwest, directly out of Kislev. Or about how at the Trident Meetings, Ortrud has mentioned that Ostermark is suffering much the same, or how about the tales from the dwarf traders from Karak Ungor speak of chilly winds that even the longbeards are impressed by. You know, as if it is not merely the season and Ulric Himself, but rather Kislev which is propagating such cold weather outward in all directions. There are obviously tales of the most powerful wielders of ice magic creating whole storms before, and you know for a fact that at the very least Kattarin herself is capable of doing so on her lonesome.

But it is grim for reasons beyond the cold, beyond the fell chill winds that are blowing so strongly.

Firstly, the knowledge gained by your investigations this year sits with your poorly, that such numbers of beastmen have moved with impunity within your province is angering. Frankly, you should have set up watchers upon each of the discovered paths long ago, but you simply hadn't been sure if you had the manpower to split and dedicate to such work that wouldn't remove swathes of your state troops from their patrol routes. The numbers were uncertain, but then it is almost impossible to get a truly accurate census of all folk in any Imperial province with utterly mathematic certainty. The people moved where they wished, it was their right, and there were plenty who would duck and cover whenever they felt it necessary. Still, you've at least got some troops in place, for all the good it might do if the beastmen decide to truly take a hard swing.

Secondly, unfortunately returning back in a northeasterly direction, was the traffic and word coming from Kislev. Or rather the lack thereof. Not a single trader, nor a single traveler, has made their way south out of Kislev to your knowledge or that of Ortrud. The border guards have reported none whatsoever, under any purpose at all. There have been no messages from Kattarin, nor from Alexandra. Those who wished to travel to Kislev were unable to do so this year, save solely for those who were delivering previously agreed upon sales of guns and cannons. They were met at the border by Kreml Guard and Winged Lancers of the Gryphon Legion, not allowed past the furthest guard posts. Each exchange was curt in the extreme, passing taciturn to outright rudeness in a few cases. But even that could not prevent your traders and those at the border from noticing several things about such troops. Specifically that their gear and state was not pristine, beyond the normal wear and tear of a hard march. On at least two occasions, the Kreml Guard at the border collecting the requisite war material bore clear battle damage on their armor and arms.

You don't know precisely what's going on in Kislev this year, but there is a cold sense of foreboding about it all. Natasha was particularly perturbed about it all.

But there is more, because of course there is.

The total lack of Norscans along their southern coasts. The massive loss of life in the western Middle Mountains, of lost wizards and mercenaries and state troops of Middenland. The ongoing conflict down in the Bonelands, a nascent WAAAGH!! that seems to continually grow in its danger. The beastmen potentially waxing elsewhere in the Empire. And, of course, the trade wars you willingly engaged in.

At the moment, however, that was not what concerned you.

"What if we just let it run about for a bit?"

"We could just run it along the street, as part of our procession!"

Sat in front of you and Urgdug at the very entrance to the workshops of Wulfenburg was the mighty vapor tank The Horns, its sibling not yet fully constructed. It was deathly still, its gluttonous metal stomach silent and full, the heat not yet unleashed. The same could not be said of its crew. All five men and women were babbling over one another. It was easy to see why Anna had decided to delegate upwards to you rather than listen to their arguing any longer. She hadn't had any strong feelings one way or the other, which was normal, but now you were the one who had to deal with it. Rolling your eyes, you reach over and thump Urgdug's thigh with your fist, letting your brother inhale deeply enough to make his armor squeak as his chest expanded.

"SHUT UP!"

The babbling ceased. Those other engineers who were close enough to be paying attention semi-discretely silenced their feeble fake conversations. The windows rattled, and the sturdiest buildings in Wulfenburg save for Wulfenburg Castle itself seemed to shudder minutely. Dust and sawdust bloomed outwards. A massive swathe of the Wulfenburg School of Gunnery and Engineering fell quiet. You even think you might have spied the tank shifting ever so slightly on their enormous, locked wheels. There is a flush of amusement which rises up from Natasha back at the castle, though that is no doubt only because your own mounting frustration turning to relief at the blessed silence. The two of you trade emanating bemusement for a moment before you pull your thoughts together.

"I understand that being selected to crew and go to battle in the vapor tank is an esteemed position," you call out, ignoring the blood trickling out of your blown out ears and the bloom of the Light of Summer on your chest. "You have proven themselves in battle already, though of course Little Guvuar is yet unborn leaving The Horns unchallenged by a peer. However," you pause as the delicate innards of your ears heal completely to let you fully hear the incredible silence within immediate earshot and the city beyond. "It is not your decision to make what the tanks do, nor where they go, for in truth it is ultimately mine."

Five faces pale as they finally comprehend that they'd just been making utter fools of themselves in front of you for quite a bit too long.

"There are potential benefits, and potential issues aplenty," you shake your head.

You'd already decided on the rest of your escort, this was simply the last matter before you headed south.

Vapor Tank Choice
The proud crew of the Vapor Tanks Corps of Ostland desire to ride their war machine down south to Nuln for the Elector's Meet, though it cannot be stored anywhere but the courtyard of the Ostland Manse in the city. Or, perhaps, within the Nuln workshops…but regardless, the choice is that of the Elector Count himself. They believe it would be a mark of prestige for Ostland to the rest of the Empire, though of course there may be other effects that cannot immediately determined...
[] Bring Tank
[] Do Not Bring Tank

Elector's Meet Escort Choice
[] Small Escort (100 Greatswords, Urgdug, 5 Maelstrombringers)
[] Medium Escort (150 Greatswords, Urgdug, 10 Maelstrombringers)
[] Large Escort (200 Greatswords, Urgdug, 25 Maelstrombringers)
[] Different Escort (Write-In)
 
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I agree with bringing one tank, the other should remain to fight.

A medium escort seems more than enough as well if e bring the taank, though I worry that something may go down and we will need the men.
 
It would be a flex to bring both tanks, though I'd bring only a medium escort at max if we do.

It looks like actually civil conflict has finally erupted in Kislev, hopefully it ends with the minimum amount of collateral damage.
 
Lot of ill omens pilling up. My thoughts are either bring one Vapor Tank and a medium escort, or neither tank and a large escort. It just feels like something big happens at every Elector's Meet, and this time it feels like things are a bit worse than normal and having a strong force would be nice. And I'd like to think that my opinion is being affected by meta knowledge only a little bit.
 
Honestly those cover most of what I want. Two special Elite formations, if slightly undersized, along with what amounts to monstrous creature is a pretty good lineup.
 
[]Bring Neither Tank

They made fools of themselves in front of the boss they're going to both be in time out because of this.

Also I'd perfer they be at home there's a lot of tension around us and I'd perfer them being within action range.

[]Large Escort (200 Greatswords, Urgdug, 25 Maelstrombringers)

Just in case we run into yet another incident and honestly this should help us pitch just how bad things are up north in Kiselev right now.
 
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