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QM, how does this piece of trivia affect Natahsa's issues with her body being a colder temperature? Does it have no affect?
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Casting spells requires concentration, always. In the same way that keeping yourself awake by pressing your tongue against the roof of your mouth takes concentration, even the simplest spells takes some amount of mental effort at all times. I can imagine certain spells can be ingrained to the point of almost being thoughtless just as people can learn to fall asleep standing up but that still rarely makes for a good nights rest.
This is true. But also, the spell is environmental protection, not personal. It does not protect from touching cold things directly. Conceivably, it could mean that Frederick could wear whatever he wished around her, but would not help with anything else. For instance, if she unconsciously reached out a hand in the middle of the night, it would still scald his skin with cold.
Anna's soul and mind were broken and remodeled, by her magic. Natasha's magic thoroughly affected the body. As with Anna, there are ways to mitigate, but also as with Anna, there are no permanent major 'fixes'.
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Right.
Well, in this case, our first approximation mitigation is to have something that keeps another human being safe from Natasha's touch. She can be as cold as she likes most of the time and it barely matters, but the touch thing is a serious problem.
If we can get a few "amulets of protection from magical cold" passed around, then the immediate worst effects are less of a concern.
Well, in this case, our first approximation mitigation is to have something that keeps another human being safe from Natasha's touch. She can be as cold as she likes most of the time and it barely matters, but the touch thing is a serious problem.
If we can get a few "amulets of protection from magical cold" passed around, then the immediate worst effects are less of a concern.
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But more pious and pray that Ulfric blesses those around her with immunity to cold.
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I mean, we can't mitigate it in the sense of "bring her body temperature up to normal." We can hopefully mitigate it in the sense of "make it possible for those around her to be in contact with her without her anomalous body temperature hurting them."
You cannot wrap the whole world in soft leather to cushion your feet, but you can wear shoes.
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yeah we have bright college it should be easy for them to give us some rings or necklaces so that the family is not affected by the cold of natasha.
we're not doing anything drastic or anything. simply giving the family something so that she can touch them without fear of harming them.
we're not doing anything drastic or anything. simply giving the family something so that she can touch them without fear of harming them.
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To be fair, I would be much more willing to try ways of mitigating said effects when the thing affected is the body instead of the soul...
I mean pretty basic mitigation for those effects would be a pair of enchanted gloves so that she can at least ruffle the hair of her grandchildren without giving them frostbite.
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If it is easy to negate a major issue like Natasha's body, I would expect the QM to not compare the problem with Anna's condition.
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I mean Torroar hasn't said anything against it and we're not trying to fix his situation.
just give the family something to have a better time with it.
If the GM tells me that the bright collegue cannot do anything of the kind, I will take his word for it and not insist on the subject anymore.
but this is the magic school focused on pyromancy, fire, and heat and they can enchant things.
just give the family something to have a better time with it.
If the GM tells me that the bright collegue cannot do anything of the kind, I will take his word for it and not insist on the subject anymore.
but this is the magic school focused on pyromancy, fire, and heat and they can enchant things.
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And the Ice Mages of Kislev have a longer magical tradition than the Bright Wizards yet a method to mitigate the body problem for Natahsa, or those around her, through ice related magic is not being used, or it is unobtainable.
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I mean they are similar since both of them have suffered an Arcane Mark, that has changed their souls in a major way, and that has effects that cannot be removed without damaging their soul...
But that doesn´t mean that Arcane Marks cannot be mitigated using either mundane or magical ways, especially the ones like Natasha´s one who affecting almost exclusively the body...
For example, a bright mage that has Aura of Brimstone, can significantly mitigate those effects by using a strong perfume to cover it up
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Mundane ways are already being used to mitigate the issues of Natasha's body for others. Dressing warmly on prolong contact.
Do you have an example that used magic to mitigate an Arcane Mark?
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Ice Mages probably have a harder time actively not making thing cold than Fire Wizards.
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Well just to think about an example, a tunic with Cleansing Glow can easily nullify, or at least significantly reduce the effects of the Amber Arcane Mark Dirty...
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No, not really extremely difficult for mere teenage ice mages to make things not cold. Ice Mages have a long history in Kislev, so the ability to make things not cold should have come in useful for those who are not ice mages. Don't really know if environment protection is the only thing the ice mages have done with making things not cold.
I can see the logic.
However, is that a canon example, or something that varies from GM to GM on the gameboard?
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It might just be that ice witches ether don't have the tools to mitigate or just haven't tried hard enough. The general culture is to keep your distance and unless you're paying respects or need something. A mark that forces distance would probably be celebrated, which isn't conducive to searching for fixes.
We'd probably really have to dig in to their theology to understand the underlying logic of the magic and the mark before trying to work around it.
Now, just making Freddy tougher so he can keep in contact with her for longer is definitely doable, but it'll definitely be more limited and probably still won't let Natasha hold her grandkids.
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The second one... I mostly know about Warhammer lore thanks to the Books of Gotrek and Felix, a friend that has QM several Warhammer campaigns, and a fer quests on this forum.
But even then, the "good" thing about Natasha´s Mark is that it doesn´t affect her mind like Anna´s Permafrost Mind, or some kind of metaphysical bullshit like Forgettable or Trickster that affects the perception that other people have of you... The effect of this Mark is almost exclusively related to her body... ´
So I will consider it significantly difficult to mitigate, but it would still be on the category in which the effects of said marks can be the most easily mitigated.
The comparison is that the change is to the soul and/or body; it's equally difficult in that "You can't just wave some magic and undo it." Anna is stuck as she is, magic can't fix that. Natasha is stuck as she is, magic can't undo that.
But it's not equally difficult in that ways to mitigate it might be available with some ingenuity or effort.
Somebody wearing Ring Of Cold Resistance +5 will have mitigated Natasha's coldtouch. ... On themselves, at least. Somebody wearing Ring Of Whatever-It-Is wouldn't be able to just mitigate or avoid Anna's problem, because those are different issues in how they express and manifest. See how that works?
(Also, note that Anna's problems are being mitigated externally too... ... It's just being done by having other people provide emotional support and care to Anna's daughter. And in having people who care about Anna, be around Anna, and remind her of things and stuff. It's not a perfect solution though, not nearly. But it is sort-of workable.)
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Generally, Ice Witches, the previous incarnation of what are now broadly (legally) considered Priestesses of the Widow (depending on what part of Kislev you're in) generally took pride in their mystical and fey nature. Many of them are noted, I believe somewhere in the Realm of the Ice Queen sourcebook, to eventually reach a point where they can appear carved from blue and white marble. Could be wrong on that source, but it definitely feels like something I've read before. They stand apart by standing above, a lot of the time, though the exact nature of it does change depending on if they are Gospodar or Ungol, and what level of those two societies that they live in. Like, yes, some of them take lovers, but plenty of others are purposefully these sort of untouchable (perhaps even literally due to aforementioned cold etc.) who do not merely advise, but command. With the introduction/transformation/revivification of the Kislevite Pantheon and transformation of the Ice Witches into the aforementioned Priestesshood these things are mixing/changing a bit here and there, but not all things. To many of the Priestesses, and certain zealous Kislevites, Natasha's transformation would be a mark of great power and favor from the Widow. Alas, both Arcane and Divine Marks can sound neat in terms of pure 'numbers go up hurr' but can carry many narrative penalties in exchange.
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Alternatively, if that magic is reproducible we can give her Grandchildren some enchanted amulet that could transform her touch from "it is so cold that it causes frostbite" to merely "chilly"
I've been rereading about the slaying of Ghorros at the Bone Gate, and noticed something interesting.
The recognition of his title of Steel Bull, the 'Horned Uncloven,' I took those things as colorful descriptions used by the beastmen to describe Frederick, during the recent curtain-pulling on their gathering Herd of Herds. I thought their attention, and their ire, had been primarily drawn at the slaying of Ghorros, more so than Slugtongue, but I thought either way it was this audacity that had attracted the attention of their race.
But these quotes from Ghorros... are suspect. Ghorros declared he would earn the title 'Breaker of Destiny' if he slayed Frederick - why? He says he should have turned back at the sound of his name, 'Steel Bull.' He says that another will be the one to kill Frederick.
I don't think it's a stretch to interpret that there is some great prophecy about Frederick, and by extension Ostland, among the beastmen. I don't know whether 'another' would refer to Malagor, Rrrngar, Felfang, or Morghur, but I think we can expect coming into contact with this prophecy, and perhaps it's fulfilment in the form of Frederick's demise, in the coming conflict.
Marienburg continues to be a pleasant distraction but I've been shitting my pants about the beastmen since the Dark Omen's on-screen debut in the Foes Near and Far interlude. I wonder how much longer we have.
Eh. I'm not holding too much stock in Prophecies. And besides, just because the Beastmen MAYBE predicted our Demise in some far-flung Prophecy doesn't mean they can't be wrong about it.