Because he has all her love, forever.

And she has all his love, forever.
Speaking of, I just wanna thank you Torroar. Through the years, they went truly evolved as people. I still remember when we were discussing candidates, and I was skeptical of her, but man o man, have I been so happy to be proven wrong.

Nat's a helluva woman, and one who despite it all, despite being married to a drunken stupid bullheaded man of a husband who is techincally piloted by a bunch of antisocial geeks with a fondness for charging headon at anything remotely dangerous at times, has never ceased to love him, with him returning the favor and then some. She's a true Lady of War, and I pray that she and Freddy pass into Morr's Garden, so they don't have to be separated from each other for one second longer then necessary.

There's power to be drawn from grace, from serenity.
Lady Shiva, Young Justice.
 
It's easy to forget, I think, how meaningful touch can be. It doesn't have to be the heavy gestures, the full embraces.

It can be the light skating of ones fingers across the shoulders. The simple but powerful weight of resting your hand stop someone else's, or someone else doing the same for you. The brush of your knees and thighs when you're sitting close together, that sudden and intimate awareness of their body through that minute contact. The amused poke into someone's puffed cheeks, causing them to make a funny noise as they exhale. Even just bumping shoulders or hips as you move about the same dresser, the same bed, the same table or chair.

And yes, there are more involved things. Full body hugs, feeling arms embrace you and hold you, sometimes even helping you remain upright when you are just so tired, or sick, or sad, and the world seems to be crushing you down. The stark sensation of someone cupping the side of your face, holding you there, all so that you can look into their eyes, and them into yours. Simple, kind, human contact.

It doesn't have to be sexual, or even necessarily sensuous. Just...genuine intimacy in it's many forms, things where the slightest touch of fingertips can bring about what feels like a miniature lightning storm between you.

And yet, when Natasha does this, she has to watch every time as she leeches the heat, the life perhaps even, from them. It's not just leaving Frederick's lips chapped, or her hand leaving his cheek reddening not from a flush of blood but rather from sheer cold.

Because of her altered eye, she has heat vision, essentially. Meaning that when I said she watched herself leech the heat away, I meant it literally. I, personally, would find that utterly horrifying, if every tactile gesture towards friends and family, let alone lovers, required me watching as the heat left them with one eye and their skin redden, peel, and eventually potentially go blue and black with the other.

And despite that, Frederick continues on loving her. And she him.

Sorry if it's a bit maudlin to think about, I was just reflecting on the consequences/dangers of magic and such topic. I mean. Yes, she didn't become a Chaos Spawn, but I definitely wouldn't say that her quality of life hasn't drastically changed negatively in several facets. Or at least just the one big one.
 
would it be possible for Freddy to commission a magical artifact(a necklace for example) from the collages of magic that makes the user immune or at least resistant to the cold ? , I am pretty sure the bright collage can bull that off

pulse the collages can emphasize with her issue as they have to deal with arcane marks and there side effect too
Hmmm, might be possible to make a cold resistance amulet or something along those lines. Unlike the last time this was brought up, in regards to Anna's permafrost personality, we aren't asking for something to alter her at all just something that lets Freddy handle the effect itself. Its also something that can be shared with others so that they can touch her as well.

We have Bright and Gold wizards in our employ who could let us know how possible it is.
 
This is not the Era of Three Emperors. It isn't the corrupt era of Deiter. It is not the chaos that slowly swept into the End Times of Karl Franz. It is the Era of Magnus.

'It can't do anything to you'? Factually incorrect. It has done. It will do. It will be doing. And it won't just be 'it'. It'll be a lot of others as well. Because at the end of the day, that is what the dignity and gravitas of the Elector Count of Osland has wrought.

That's how I think of it, at least. If you disagree, that is your right, of course, but this is probably not going to be something I'll be budging too much on.

Speaking of the future of the empire Magnus's example kept the empire intact for over 200 years. Not just because of the changes but because so many tried to emulate him and simply held him as an example of the best of men. I find myself wondering just how much greater/better/stronger the empire will be in 200 years with Fred being another shining example of what men can do. When future elector counts will be raised on not only stories of Magnus but decades of stories about Fred and the many great things he did. The simple fact is that for those the worship sigmar Fred is going to be worshipped as a saint, the wolf boys are just going to respect the hell out of him, nevermind Logan is already looking to be a wolverine level legend, mortals in this setting have become gods for less then what Fred has done. Though maybe instead a Greater 'spirit' of Sigmar?

For one thing they'll be FAR less casual brutality of Halflings, less bullshit between the various churches, vastly better relations with the Dawi, far less fear of the magic colleges, even a better relationship with the elves as well. Simply put Magnus alone looked like some unreachable goal to aspire to but never reach, with Fred doing his shit right along beside him that is two hundred years of nobility growing up on stories of two different men will have a great many more people wondering 'can I do this too?'

Basically with examples like Fred, Magnus, and possibly Fred's kids, and grandkids are enough to changes the empire from grimdark to at least nobledark if not better.
 
Because of her altered eye, she has heat vision, essentially. Meaning that when I said she watched herself leech the heat away, I meant it literally. I, personally, would find that utterly horrifying, if every tactile gesture towards friends and family, let alone lovers, required me watching as the heat left them with one eye and their skin redden, peel, and eventually potentially go blue and black with the other.

And despite that, Frederick continues on loving her. And she him.

Sorry if it's a bit maudlin to think about, I was just reflecting on the consequences/dangers of magic and such topic. I mean. Yes, she didn't become a Chaos Spawn, but I definitely wouldn't say that her quality of life hasn't drastically changed negatively in several facets. Or at least just the one big one.
I would also consider it horrifying, but the Arcane/Divine Marks that are not good or neutral tend to be that way... I mean I can´t really imagine the psycological pain that a grey Wizard with the Arcane Mark Forgettable, wich prevents even your best friends and family from recognising you.

Even then, I would consider that poor Anna got significantly worse luck with her Permafrost Personality though...
 
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I love how I struggle to get my thoughts down on paper, and @torroar can just bang out a multi-page analysis on the reasonings behind the actions of a character and the impact on the wider setting. I'm definitely not jealous or anything.
 
Hmmm, might be possible to make a cold resistance amulet or something along those lines. Unlike the last time this was brought up, in regards to Anna's permafrost personality, we aren't asking for something to alter her at all just something that lets Freddy handle the effect itself. Its also something that can be shared with others so that they can touch her as well.

We have Bright and Gold wizards in our employ who could let us know how possible it is.
Potentially better yet, is there some item we can make that can fix Natasha's outwardly-expressed body temperature?

Since, if we just get a magic item for Frederick... it would be still be a singular magic item, wearable/useable by one person at a time. Whereas if Natasha's heat-leeching thing is fixed, she can cheek-poke any of her children or grand-children without worrying.

It's not fixing Natasha's body to not radiate cold. That would be trying to reverse or change the mutation/blessing. No, rather... this would be something that would try to apply an external fix to that. Such as by, say, concentrating all that radiating-cold to, like, a locket or a ring or a gauntlet or a torc or something? It'd just be moving the cold energy or the location where all the cold is coming from. Moving it from "the whole body, basically" to "this particular magical artifact."

Natasha's body still radiates cold. The magic item does not stop the "Natasha body/soul is changed such that her body radiates cold." Rather, it takes the cold being radiated from her body, and moves it somewhere else; or maybe heats it up to counter it; or something.


Maybe some kind of necklace of eternally-frozen icicles or something, perhaps?
 
I must say that the Ancient Widow's 'gifts' causing literal acts of intimacy hurt those you love feels... really on point and thematic.
 
It's easy to forget, I think, how meaningful touch can be. It doesn't have to be the heavy gestures, the full embraces.

It can be the light skating of ones fingers across the shoulders. The simple but powerful weight of resting your hand stop someone else's, or someone else doing the same for you. The brush of your knees and thighs when you're sitting close together, that sudden and intimate awareness of their body through that minute contact. The amused poke into someone's puffed cheeks, causing them to make a funny noise as they exhale. Even just bumping shoulders or hips as you move about the same dresser, the same bed, the same table or chair.

And yes, there are more involved things. Full body hugs, feeling arms embrace you and hold you, sometimes even helping you remain upright when you are just so tired, or sick, or sad, and the world seems to be crushing you down. The stark sensation of someone cupping the side of your face, holding you there, all so that you can look into their eyes, and them into yours. Simple, kind, human contact.

It doesn't have to be sexual, or even necessarily sensuous. Just...genuine intimacy in it's many forms, things where the slightest touch of fingertips can bring about what feels like a miniature lightning storm between you.

And yet, when Natasha does this, she has to watch every time as she leeches the heat, the life perhaps even, from them. It's not just leaving Frederick's lips chapped, or her hand leaving his cheek reddening not from a flush of blood but rather from sheer cold.

Because of her altered eye, she has heat vision, essentially. Meaning that when I said she watched herself leech the heat away, I meant it literally. I, personally, would find that utterly horrifying, if every tactile gesture towards friends and family, let alone lovers, required me watching as the heat left them with one eye and their skin redden, peel, and eventually potentially go blue and black with the other.

And despite that, Frederick continues on loving her. And she him.

Sorry if it's a bit maudlin to think about, I was just reflecting on the consequences/dangers of magic and such topic. I mean. Yes, she didn't become a Chaos Spawn, but I definitely wouldn't say that her quality of life hasn't drastically changed negatively in several facets. Or at least just the one big one.
*remembers the bond option*
...You know, that's an aspect I didn't consider with that magic. She might not be able to touch Frederick like she once did, but having that link means those two, at least, can remain together, no matter how the Widow's Winter may Rage about them.
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And on an interesting note. Anna, I think it was? Who's heart was frozen, thawed by love only to be frozen for good when that love was lost. I imagine on a strange level Natasha and Anna's relationship is probably not TOO badly impacted, though on a level it still stings for Natasha, even if Anna is, by virtue (Or is it vice?) of that frozen heart, chill about the changes...
 
Maybe some kind of necklace of eternally-frozen icicles or something, perhaps?
Something to possibly look into if Nat herself is open to idea and GM provides it.

Heck, Nat already wears the Power Necklace which boosts her natural magical ability which might serve the purpose you are talking about. I think it would require taking the item identification action first of course since we have no idea the history/what it really does other than obvious effects.

Kinda silly in hindsight we waited so long to have some magic users look both it and Arthur's sword over.
 
When torroar Muse/Procrastination is a benefit for the Thread in terms of Info,History and General Storytelling.
 
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We have already been claimed by Sigmar... That would be poaching :V

I know your joking but wasn't big Magnus blessed by all the gods? Isn't that why he was able to unleash holy blue fire on the everchosen and why everyone finally rallied behind him and crowned him emperor? So Freddy getting two gods blessings should be doable. It's not like it's from opposing pantheons or anything.
 
Bears and Sharks. We still have yet to punch the Shark and I desire it greatly.

Fisticuff with blessed Demigod Mountain Bear When? We could actually survive a boxing match with one if we are careful enough. :V

Also, we definitely need Frederick and Urgdug to team up and wrestle with a Megalodon. If only to get that new spanking sweet "Shark Puncher" Title.
 
I know your joking but wasn't big Magnus blessed by all the gods? Isn't that why he was able to unleash holy blue fire on the everchosen and why everyone finally rallied behind him and crowned him emperor? So Freddy getting two gods blessings should be doable. It's not like it's from opposing pantheons or anything.

As a note, Magnus isn't blessed by the gods even if he is favored by them for the purposes he serves.

This is what Magnus the Pious does: he speaks with such conviction that the people are enflamed by hope after centuries of decay and ruin, and the Gods themselves respond in affirmation. He is not Valten.

He is, at the end of the day, just a human who earnestly, purely, believed, without hesitation or condition.

I explicitly made it uncertain for Frederick to tell what he saw for certain at Nuln, and I refuse to say one way or the other. Magnus isn't 'Blessed by all the Gods', he doesn't carry a cross-pantheonic array of Divine Marks, he is not a priest or a paladin or cleric or whatever. He's Magnus the Pious, not Magnus the Blessed, or Magnus the Everchosen of Order. He believes, and worships, and is, well, Pious. Blessings are not required to be Pious, nor should they be.

He's just a guy.

And at the end of the day, that's sort of the point.
 
Considering that the changes to Natasha seem to be connected to her soul, I wonder if us doing the soul bond will give us a degree of resistance to the effects?
 
They're not part of the same muck like the individual Chaos Gods are, they're divided by races, and most importantly: They don't have as much power.

Isn't just more incentive for them to unite their power? At the very least the human gods of the Empire should have gotten off their lazy asses and combined their power into one champion.
 
...ok but that just raises the question of why the forces of order never had their own everchosen.
Because that's not how order works. The Chaos gods MAKE everchosen. They sculpt the body, mind and soul of the candidate till the person is extinguished and all that's left is a chaos puppet. Order gods (' blessings) are the product of earnest belief and faith. You have to choose to live your life in accordance to their edicts to get their blessings. Think of it as chaos gods reaching down while mortals having to reach up to order.
 
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Isn't just more incentive for them to unite their power? At the very least the human gods of the Empire should have gotten off their lazy asses and combined their power into one champion.
The gods of the Empire aren't lazy, they're working their asses of to do everything they can to stop the Empire from sliding down, and it ain't easy.

This thread has had the 'why aren't the gods doing anything, they're useless' conversation like ten dozen times now and I'd suggest you look at the rebuttals posted to those.

For now, since I don't want this to spiral into a salt-filled argument, I'm just gonna say you're wrong and leave it at that
 
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