Ah, no, see, in the case of trying to dominate Bloodglade, it actually would have required Bloodglade to critically fail. So low was bad!
Oh, okay. I think I was confused by the bonuses on the roll.

(Demands of Fealty: 15+Eldest Growth(15)+Unprepared(10)-Homegrowth(10)=30/100)
So, given it was mentioned that the Branchwraiths she was facing were larger and such, and the Bloodglade would presumably be unprepared for being dominated, I figured that the Eldest Growth and Unprepared bonuses meant that the roll was from the perspective of the Wildwood fay, not from Bloodglade's perspective?
 
Hundreds down to three, huh? I always felt that while there were that many Elders, the true Ancients, Adanhu, Coeddil, and Durthu, were unique in age, authority, and power.
 
Oh, okay. I think I was confused by the bonuses on the roll.

So, given it was mentioned that the Branchwraiths she was facing were larger and such, and the Bloodglade would presumably be unprepared for being dominated, I figured that the Eldest Growth and Unprepared bonuses meant that the roll was from the perspective of the Wildwood fay, not from Bloodglade's perspective?

Eldest Growth represents Bloodglade's elder status in Laurelorn, and the Wildwood Fey were unprepared for her arrival. The homegrowth malus was the fact that they already had some Laurelorn dryads under them, and were using the knowledge gained from that domination against Bloodglade. Remember, in that portion of the update, Frederick is still the main POV, so high = good, low = bad.

Hundreds down to three, huh? I always felt that while there were that many Elders, the true Ancients, Adanhu, Coeddil, and Durthu, were unique in age, authority, and power.
I think that was back during the original Chaos invasion, some 10,000 years ago or whatever.

Mop is correct. The Elders became the Elders by virtue of surviving the original Chaos Invasion of the World. They were around before Chaos, and have survived its coming. It's stated that there are thousands of Treemen, but they are measured in many centuries and thousands of years without approaching the sheer age and knowledge of the Elders.
 
mmm...

I think we've accidentally hit 40 martial...yeah 37 on the front page not updated with new trait +3M yep we're at 40.

Anyway I don't agree with blaming the wood elves they're just being standard elves with a side of "oh shit a shaggoth!". The person most at fault is Drycha...**** even Coddiel is less responsible for this shit show as far as I can tell.

That being said after being dragged into this mess I am hoping for some form of compensation, though I'll be happy with one of the two available Avatars of Isha giving Natasha the heal beam. Anything else is gravy.

I will be interested to see how this affects the politics of the wood elves, cause holy crap this has been disaster after disaster.

Hey ho my two cents is that my fav bits were the scenes with Elydra @torroar its very interesting seeing both sides of the incomprehension. I wonder how this will affect Elydra's opinion of humans knowing that by elf standards no human gets above young adult standards, and generally peaks when most elves are considered children...I think I've no idea what an elf considers a child or not.
 
Honestly, I'm also halfway convinced that killing Drycha would hurt the enemy force in someway.

And I'm pretty damn convinced there will be some bonuses from Drycha being the personal target of our rage.

Besides...this is personal.
 
We are getting the wooden bitch and turning her into firewood!:mad:

Lets help out Bloodglade to make sure she doesn't get away and Bloodglade will be fighting just as hard as us for that bitch's actions.
 
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Sorry to repeat myself, but is Eldyra going to follow us, whatever we choose? Or will she be doing something else?
Ariel is a force multiplier but she's been explicitly noted to be exhausted and is monofocused. So I'm leery of Frederick's ability to get her attention.
Ariel is monofocused on reaching Drycha and killing her, though, so I don't think it would be particularly hard to get her attention to that.
 
The Elders became the Elders by virtue of surviving the original Chaos Invasion of the World. They were around before Chaos, and have survived its coming. It's stated that there are thousands of Treemen, but they are measured in many centuries and thousands of years without approaching the sheer age and knowledge of the Elders.

To expand on this:

There are, essentially, 3 tiers of Treeman.

1. You've got your regular ol' Treeman, centuries to a few thousand years old. These are the most common, there are thousands in Athel Loren but not all of them are active at the same time.
2. Then you've got the Treeman Ancient, who is multiple thousands of years old, and is far more powerful. These guys often wield powerful magic, rather than the more physical bashing and smashing that the regular Treemen do.
3. Then there are the Treemen Elder Ancients, the true oldies. There used to be many, and then there were 3. The truth of this is, they all started as your 'basic' treeman, but they survived the First Chaos Invasion of the world, and continued to do so for long afterwards. Thus, being the Elder Ancients. Such is their connection with one another, however, that their powers flowed into each other when they expired. Thus, the more of the Elder Ancients died, the more powerful the survivors grew. A tragic sort of Highlander thing, it seems. But Adanhu expired in the act of cleansing Ariel due to the sheer power of corruption and taint left in Ariel when she was super corrupted by overdrawing on the dark magic taught to her by Morathi and her wounds from Morghur. She learned how to better temper utilization of the former, but was grievously wounded by the latter more recently. Coeddil, well, he fell to Chaos in his brooding and was an enemy even before that terrible fall, slaughtering the elves during a painful winter indeed. And now, only Durthu is left as an ally to the Asrai, and he's not entirely sane either. But nor is he nearly as crazy as Drycha is.


@torroar
Sorry to repeat myself, but is Eldyra going to follow us, whatever we choose? Or will she be doing something else?

I can't answer that until the update happens. That is when she'll decide what to do.
 
To expand on this:

There are, essentially, 3 tiers of Treeman.

1. You've got your regular ol' Treeman, centuries to a few thousand years old. These are the most common, there are thousands in Athel Loren but not all of them are active at the same time.
2. Then you've got the Treeman Ancient, who is multiple thousands of years old, and is far more powerful. These guys often wield powerful magic, rather than the more physical bashing and smashing that the regular Treemen do.
3. Then there are the Treemen Elder Ancients, the true oldies. There used to be many, and then there were 3. The truth of this is, they all started as your 'basic' treeman, but they survived the First Chaos Invasion of the world, and continued to do so for long afterwards. Thus, being the Elder Ancients. Such is their connection with one another, however, that their powers flowed into each other when they expired. Thus, the more of the Elder Ancients died, the more powerful the survivors grew. A tragic sort of Highlander thing, it seems. But Adanhu expired in the act of cleansing Ariel due to the sheer power of corruption and taint left in Ariel when she was super corrupted by overdrawing on the dark magic taught to her by Morathi and her wounds from Morghur. She learned how to better temper utilization of the former, but was grievously wounded by the latter more recently. Coeddil, well, he fell to Chaos in his brooding and was an enemy even before that terrible fall, slaughtering the elves during a painful winter indeed. And now, only Durthu is left as an ally to the Asrai, and he's not entirely sane either. But nor is he nearly as crazy as Drycha is.
Ah, my mistake was thinking that Elders were what you term Ancients.

I wondered if that was the case. But I wonder if it counts when Coeddil's essence was semi-willingly given away to the Lord of Decay? Might not be Durthu's to take, or at least, it's not an essence he can take without danger.
 
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Hopefully we come out of this on the other side, and hopefully conscious so Bloodglade doesn't try to turn us into fertiliser...again.
On one hand she is pissed enough at Drycha I think she would be rather thankful we helped her. On the other hand as a Dryad that might just mean she uses us as fertiliser in a very special way that will forever carry the legacy of that one fleshy mayfly.

On the other other hand as long as any of the Asrai are around she should be willing to listen. On the other other other hand she might feel rather strongly about repaying our aid.

And now I am wondering about having Dryads over at Ostland...
 
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To expand on this:

There are, essentially, 3 tiers of Treeman.

1. You've got your regular ol' Treeman, centuries to a few thousand years old. These are the most common, there are thousands in Athel Loren but not all of them are active at the same time.
2. Then you've got the Treeman Ancient, who is multiple thousands of years old and is far more powerful. These guys often wield powerful magic, rather than the more physical bashing and smashing that the regular Treemen do.
3. Then there are the Treemen Elder Ancients, the true oldies. There used to be many, and then there were 3. The truth of this is, they all started as your 'basic' tree man, but they survived the First Chaos Invasion of the world, and continued to do so for long afterwards. Thus, being the Elder Ancients. Such is their connection with one another, however, that their powers flowed into each other when they expired. Thus, the more of the Elder Ancients died, the more powerful the survivors grew. A tragic sort of Highlander thing, it seems. But Adanhu expired in the act of cleansing Ariel due to the sheer power of corruption and taint left in Ariel when she was super corrupted by overdrawing on the dark magic taught to her by Morathi and her wounds from Morghur. She learned how to better temper utilization of the former, but was grievously wounded by the latter more recently. Coeddil, well, he fell to Chaos in his brooding and was an enemy even before that terrible fall, slaughtering the elves during a painful winter indeed. And now, only Durthu is left as an ally to the Asrai, and he's not entirely sane either. But nor is he nearly as crazy as Drycha is.




I can't answer that until the update happens. That is when she'll decide what to do.
What will happen to the invested power of coeddil now he is tainted by chaos? Will it go to Nurgle or flow back to last remaining Elder?

Does the power of Adanhu now belong to Ariel due to his purification efforts rather than being split among the remaining two Elders?
 
And now, only Durthu is left as an ally to the Asrai, and he's not entirely sane either. But nor is he nearly as crazy as Drycha is.
...We need a tree therapist.

@torroar To clarify somethings, or at least a timeline of events

1. Morathi has Malekith's wife killed by mind-controlling some Asur, who was Ariel's sister*
2. Ariel goes on a roaring rampage of revenge and eventually gets to Morathi and beats her down, but Morathi saves her life by promising to teach her dark magic to kill Morgur.
3. Ariel accepts and Morathi does so, typically because it is dark magic it makes Ariel go crazy (which judging by a brief Morathi interlude was very much intentional on her part?) combined with wounds taken from Morgur (not sure when) were influencing her mental state significantly. Which was what Allariell healed away?

*note the more I learn of her the more I realise how much of the Elves problems can be laid at her feet...like not all of them, but a near inexcusable amount of their problems are Morathi's fault...
 
...We need a tree therapist.

@torroar To clarify somethings, or at least a timeline of events

1. Morathi has Malekith's wife killed by mind-controlling some Asur, who was Ariel's sister*
2. Ariel goes on a roaring rampage of revenge and eventually gets to Morathi and beats her down, but Morathi saves her life by promising to teach her dark magic to kill Morgur.
3. Ariel accepts and Morathi does so, typically because it is dark magic it makes Ariel go crazy (which judging by a brief Morathi interlude was very much intentional on her part?) combined with wounds taken from Morgur (not sure when) were influencing her mental state significantly. Which was what Allariell healed away?

*note the more I learn of her the more I realise how much of the Elves problems can be laid at her feet...like not all of them, but a near inexcusable amount of their problems are Morathi's fault...
A few decades ago. When the Wood Elves first came to us for help, no help came from Athel Loren because Morghur and Malagor were personally assaulting it.
 
But I wonder if it counts when Coeddil's essence was semi-willingly given away to the Lord of Decay? Might not be Durthu's to take, or at least, it's not an essence he can take without danger.

It's an interesting question, isn't it?

For the record, this is from the 8th Edition on Durthu and is what is on the wiki:

On Durthu's Power said:
For their part, the elves mourn for Durthu. As long-lived creatures themselves, they know well the cruelty of the world, but can only imagine the sorrows an eternity of destruction has inflicted on a creature older than their entire race. Alas, it is beyond the power of the elves to heal Durthu's weary heart; but it is not, perhaps, beyond his own. When an Elder of the Forest is slain, his essence is absorbed by his peers. As one of only two survivors, Durthu now commands fully half the combined might of every Elder that ever existed — more than enough to heal his ravaged soul, and to achieve many miraculous things besides. Sadly, so clouded by rage and loss has his mind become, that he is unaware of the power at his command.

What little Durthu employs, he does so only on an instinctive level to augment his already formidable strength or loose swarms of ethereal spite-creatures against his enemies. Manifestations of Durthu's inner sorrow, these wraithlike apparitions chill the soul and spirit of any whom they assail. On those rare occasions on which Durthu slumbers, they sing maliciously through his dreams, ceaselessly reminding the Elder of all the ways in which he has failed his beloved forest. Yet still the potential remains for this being, once the noblest of his kind, to bring a new age of splendour to Athel Loren, if only he can abandon his hatred.
 
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*deep breath* This update was a ride, excellent work as always Torroar.
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Leaning Ariel myself, if only because Shadow of the Colloseus action sounds awesome but also very time-consuming for Frederick, and uhh, I'm not so sure going to Bloodglade is wise, given the chance that it turns into Frederick having to hold down someone who has access to the Lore of Shadows, and thus could just juke away from him if he ends up solo.
 
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