1: [HOMEWERLD INTENSIFIES]

2: Fuck. FUck. FUCk. FUCK.

We need to move on that world now, or there may be no survivors.
 
[X][NEW] Andorian Guard Constellation-class Shakalash - Combat (Fleet) team
[x][NEW] Commodore McCoy - Research (Medical) Team [May join another Research (Medical) Team for +2 Skill]

[x][KADESH] Join the attack with all available assets immediately
 
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Its pretty much too late by now imho.

I wonder if we can set something up? We cooperate with the Romulans by having enterprise give a lot of stealthed probes to the Romulmans and they use a cloaked ship to use them to survey the system.

If there are signs of survivors we move in force immediately, coordinating with the Romulans. If there is no hope we wait a month.
 
We need to move now. We cannot allow potentially millions of survivors from the Biophage to be consumed.

No, we don't know whether or not there are survivors, but we are Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets. Doing the right thing is what we do.
 
We need to move now. We cannot allow potentially millions of survivors from the Biophage to be consumed.

No, we don't know whether or not there are survivors, but we are Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets. Doing the right thing is what we do.

Even then, the Romulans should scout early before the main assault.

Actually a good reason to go NOW is that think of all the problems the Biophage has caused with limited resources. Now imagine giving it a month to work with a billion lives and the resources of an industrial people.
 
Even then, the Romulans should scout early before the main assault.

Actually a good reason to go NOW is that think of all the problems the Biophage has caused with limited resources. Now imagine giving it a month to work with a billion lives and the resources of an industrial people.

If we wait one month, more of our ships survive. Guaranteed. Look at my post. Suicide shuttle countermeasures, done. Very possibly the Structural Field Modifications II will be done, and our ships would be immune to Infection! The Biophage may build more ships, but they will be less effective.
 
If we wait one month, more of our ships survive. Guaranteed. Look at my post. Suicide shuttle countermeasures, done. Very possibly the Structural Field Modifications II will be done, and our ships would be immune to Infection! The Biophage may build more ships, but they will be less effective.

And more Biophage vessels may escape. And honestly I'd lose half the fleet for a chance to save even a million survivors.
 
[X][NEW] 40 Eridani A Ship Design Detachment - Research (Ships) Team
[X][NEW] Commodore McCoy - Research (Medical) Team [May join another Research (Medical) Team for +2 Skill]

We finally have McCoy on our list! Save us, McCoy!

And honestly, I think we need a specialist team for the ship modifications. While that will leave the Vulcan Science Academy sitting on their ass, we can always either demobilize them with our thanks for their help, or leave them in reserve for whatever else the Biophage pulls out of its horrifically biomechanical ass.

[X][KADESH] Join the attack with all available assets immediately

What possible reason could we have to delay? We're nowhere near a cure other than death.
 
[X][NEW] Andorian Guard Constellation-class Shakalash - Combat (Fleet) team
[X][NEW] Commodore McCoy - Research (Medical) Team [May join another Research (Medical) Team for +2 Skill]

New teams that are obvious choices.

[X][KADESH] Join the attack with all available assets immediately

Not sure about this, but I don't think we can afford to wait.
 
Honestly I'd still go now even if we only saved 600,000 survivors frozen into cryotrays > : V
 
[X] Plan Finish the Research!
-[X][NEW] Commodore McCoy - Research (Medical) Team [Join Starfleet Infectious Disease Institute to add +2 Skill]
-[X][NEW] 40 Eridani A Ship Design Detachment - Research (Ships) Team
-[X][KADESH] Ask the Romulans to wait one more Month before attacking.

I know the urge is to attack immediately, but consider. With one more month we might be able to finish some of that ship combat research, especially "14 / 20 Freon-Trilithium Plasma Coolant Hull Adhesive (Slow down infection rates from Infection Beams if hull undamaged)". That could save many of our ships.

I am taking McCoy because of course I am, adding +2 to Vaccine research is a no-brainer. Also with a specialty design time on the ship modifications they will go faster than just with the Vulcan Science Academy on it. Structural Integrity Field Modifications II seems to be researched in parallel by both design teams. With +12 (Skill level with McCoy = 6, doubled for specialty) from the Vaccine Team side and +4 (+2 doubled for specialty) from the 40 Eriandi A Team, with could get +16 on it this turn. Enough to take it from 11/30 to 27/30. And if it gets the +5 bonus inspriation from either team, it'll be finished by next month!

I think the potential to do that is well worth waiting a month.

EDIT2: We would also be guaranteed to finish the Suicide Shuttle counter-measures, both of the remaining ones.

EDIT: In fact, by my reading we would be guaranteed to finish either the Freon-Trilithium Plasma Coolant Hull Adhesive or the Structural Integrity Field Modifications II depending on where the ship design team's +5 inspiration bonus goes. (It only has those two options.)

@OneirosTheWriter am I incorrect in any of my math assumptions here or misunderstanding how the rolls work?
From a quick lookover, I think your math is right.
 
Wait.

These people must have grown into space flight and tested FTL drives... and we assumed that this was a treaty violation.

And that assumption may have ended up killing them.
 
It was mentioned previously that many new species and cultures in the Neutral Zone were missed out due to being mistaken for intruding Romulans.
 
Yeep. The Homeworld of a space-faring civ getting nommed is just about worst case scenario.

Leaves us with a choice where there's no really good option. If we stay back for one more month, our ships are much more resistant to the Biophage, but we lose any hope of rescuing survivors and give the Biophage a whole month to produce more ships and send them out infecting more things, which could lead to them simply overwhelming us.

If we attack now, we risk losing so many ships that we won't be able to contain the Biophage, risk losing our best crews, and there's the difficulties in evacuating lots of people do deal with. Solitude takes us 8 turns to evac and that's only 800,000 people. Can we risk bringing in Colony Ships to the system for evac purposes? Or is the idea of attacking now to try and hold back the infection on the surface?
 
Can we crash bring the Klingons into this?

I know that I've argued against this before.

But now we're past hunting, and it is time for a straight up push against a hard target.

At the very least we can have them as a quantum narrative asset to resolve at the last moment.
 
Wait.

These people must have grown into space flight and tested FTL drives... and we assumed that this was a treaty violation.

And that assumption may have ended up killing them.
Oh, there's gonna be a lot of recriminations and self-loathing going on. If we'd just checked Sector 2 first, we could have found them before the Biophage for example. I can imagine there being some sort of Federation-Romulan joint exploration/patrolling agreement in the Neutral Zone set up in the future, just to avoid something like this happening again.
 
Oh, there's gonna be a lot of recriminations and self-loathing going on. If we'd just checked Sector 2 first, we could have found them before the Biophage for example. I can imagine there being some sort of Federation-Romulan joint exploration/patrolling agreement in the Neutral Zone set up in the future, just to avoid something like this happening again.

Yeah, the irony is that if we'd stayed true to our mandate and explored the region instead of walling it off for military reasons, we could have avoided this.
 
And more Biophage vessels may escape. And honestly I'd lose half the fleet for a chance to save even a million survivors.

What makes you think there are any survivors?

It's not just the ships lost for the sake of themselves. We're going to need all the ships we can muster to mop up the Biophage ships after our fleet and our citizens are immune. Which by the way, I estimate is only three months away. With McCoy in the mix, the Infectious disease team will be at +12. Currently we're at 24 / ?? Vaccine Development II. In three months that will be at +46 (because the +5 Inspiration bonus won't have anywhere else to go on the 2nd month and third ), and I have a hard time believing the Vaccine II is more than 60/60. If it's only 50/50 we could be done in 2 months.
 
[X] Plan Finish the Research!
-[X][NEW] Commodore McCoy - Research (Medical) Team [Join Starfleet Infectious Disease Institute to add +2 Skill]
-[X][NEW] 40 Eridani A Ship Design Detachment - Research (Ships) Team

I am taking McCoy because of course I am, adding +2 to Vaccine research is a no-brainer. Also with a specialty design time on the ship modifications they will go faster than just with the Vulcan Science Academy on it. Structural Integrity Field Modifications II seems to be researched in parallel by both design teams. With +12 (Skill level with McCoy = 6, doubled for specialty) from the Vaccine Team side and +4 (+2 doubled for specialty) from the 40 Eriandi A Team, with could get +16 on it this turn. Enough to take it from 11/30 to 27/30. And if it gets the +5 bonus inspriation from either team, it'll be finished by next month!
I will note that the Ship Design Detachment makes literally no difference here. Of the two techs in ship modifications the one that gets the inspiration will finish next month, the one that doesn't the month after, and if both get inspiration both will finish next month.

Further while those techs would help enormously I don't think we can afford to wait, who knows what the Inflictor can do with the rescources of a world inhabited by half a billion, even if we don't consider potential saved lifes. A Constellation class can make an immediate difference.
 
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Can we crash bring the Klingons into this?

I know that I've argued against this before.

But now we're past hunting, and it is time for a straight up push against a hard target.

At the very least we can have them as a quantum narrative asset to resolve at the last moment.

If the Romulan is asking for Klingon assistance things must be worse than we thought. :V
 
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