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Alternate option for the Pathfinder vote: we name our EC Excelsior Odyessy, which would help not to split votes if you want a human name.

Then, as a compromise, we name the Excelsiors we'll be starting at UP Pathfinder and Sojourner.

Seems kinda wrong to have one without the other.

Plus those are names we can disguise as universal concepts. In reality, the guy who names things, Nameguy Martianman, is sitting in an office covered in pictures of Mars landers, a Sojourner plush tucked under one arm, and cackling softly as he types "Opportunity," "Spirit," and "Curiosity" into the prospective names list.
 
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps

[x][NAME1] Curiosity

[X][NAME2] Defiant

[X][NAME3] Valiant

[X][BUILD] Base Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
 
Iron Wolf said:
Alternate option for the Pathfinder vote: we name our EC Excelsior Odyessy, which would help not to split votes if you want a human name.

Then, as a compromise, we name the Excelsiors we'll be starting at UP Pathfinder and Sojourner.

Seems kinda wrong to have one without the other.

Plus those are names we can disguise as universal concepts. In reality, the guy who names things, Nameguy Martianman, is sitting in an office covered in pictures of Mars landers, a Sojourner plush tucked under one arm, and cackling softly as he types "Opportunity," "Spirit," and "Curiosity" into the prospective names list.
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Sounds good. Changing vote. Again. (Seriously, this is around the 6th or 7th time for this vote.)

[X][BUILD] 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Valiant
 
Well, Chen has certainly made me reconsider Snakepit priorities. Now it's all about the personnel.
  • NEW Request Mining Colony at Mining Colony Option, Corvo System, 8pp (4 turns, +5 (10) sr/yr) [New Site in Captain's Logs]
  • NEW Request Mining Colony at Aga Carmide system, 8pp (4 turns, gain 7rp/year) [New Site in Captain's Logs]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Honiani), 10pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Yrillians), 10pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Dawiar), 10pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Ked Paddah), 10pp
  • Request Academy Expansion, 40pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
  • Request Science Academy Expansion, 20pp (Gain +1 Techs throughput)
  • Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral (Seruk) convinced it is time to retire, 20pp
Assuming that Seruk's replacement will provide some sort of personnel bonus. That's 136 points and assumes we pick up enough pp in the first quarter to get there.
 
Briefvoice said:
Well, Chen has certainly made me reconsider Snakepit priorities. Now it's all about the personnel.
  • NEW Request Mining Colony at Mining Colony Option, Corvo System, 8pp (4 turns, +5 (10) sr/yr) [New Site in Captain's Logs]
  • NEW Request Mining Colony at Aga Carmide system, 8pp (4 turns, gain 7rp/year) [New Site in Captain's Logs]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Honiani), 10pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Yrillians), 10pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Dawiar), 10pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on (Ked Paddah), 10pp
  • Request Academy Expansion, 40pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
  • Request Science Academy Expansion, 20pp (Gain +1 Techs throughput)
  • Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral (Seruk) convinced it is time to retire, 20pp
Assuming that Seruk's replacement will provide some sort of personnel bonus. That's 136 points and assumes we pick up enough pp in the first quarter to get there.
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Why not making Personnel a VADM position?

EDIT: wait, is Personnel one of the 30 pp to upgrade to a VADM slot?
 
Briefvoice said:
Assuming that Seruk's replacement will provide some sort of personnel bonus. That's 136 points and assumes we pick up enough pp in the first quarter to get there.
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I find that somewhat unlikely (though vaguely possible), crew recruitment would be Certunn Guk's department (Guk will probably move to another position soon anyway, after Seruk he is the Rear Admiral who has served in the same position continuously the longest). Personnel admirals are probably giving bonuses like improved experience gain rate, increased panel of captains size, reduced chance of burnout/early retirement for captains/flag officers, and of course the ever popular pp bonuses.
 
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Nix said:
I find that somewhat unlikely (though vaguely possible), crew recruitment would be Certunn Guk's department (Guk will probably move to another position soon anyway, after Seruk he is the Rear Admiral who has served in the same position continuously the longest). Personnel admirals are probably giving bonuses like improved experience gain rate, increased panel of captains size, reduced chance of burnout/early retirement for captains/flag officers, and of course the ever popular pp bonuses.
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Well some of our crew "income" sources are actually things that allow more crew to be retained rather than retire or get injured outside of Events. So better retainment would be modeled as a crew income bonus.
 
Well, whatever we get, it'll be better than NO bonus.

Although I'll have to slightly amend Eddie Leslie's explanation for why he isn't retiring. ;)
 
[X][BUILD] 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Huascar
 
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I would support making Personnel a VA and rolling the dice on if Seruk has a bonus enough to retain him or promote someone over him. May not be for this Snakepit though.
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Costs for new Vice Admiral slots will likely be raised this coming Snakepit, since we just appointed one. Usual principle of how if we just did something, it costs more to do it again. Simple making Seruk retire is likely to be 15pp cheaper.

Also, if they are getting more expensive, I would have higher priorities for Vice Admiral slots.
 
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps

[X][NAME1] Discovery

[X][NAME2] Defiant

[X][NAME3] Valiant

[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
 
Iron Wolf said:
Alternate option for the Pathfinder vote: we name our EC Excelsior Odyessy, which would help not to split votes if you want a human name.

Then, as a compromise, we name the Excelsiors we'll be starting at UP Pathfinder and Sojourner.

Seems kinda wrong to have one without the other.

Plus those are names we can disguise as universal concepts. In reality, the guy who names things, Nameguy Martianman, is sitting in an office covered in pictures of Mars landers, a Sojourner plush tucked under one arm, and cackling softly as he types "Opportunity," "Spirit," and "Curiosity" into the prospective names list.
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I support this plan.

[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps
[x][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Huascar
 
Briefvoice said:
Costs for new Vice Admiral slots will likely be raised this coming Snakepit, since we just appointed one. Usual principle of how if we just did something, it costs more to do it again. Simple making Seruk retire is likely to be 15pp cheaper.

Also, if they are getting more expensive, I would have higher priorities for Vice Admiral slots.
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Price may not go up, refits stayed the same cost despite starting other refits. I could see price dropping long run as it is easier to argue more heads being vice admirals as we get more into that category
 
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps

[x][NAME1] Pathfinder

[X][NAME2] Defiant

[X][NAME3] Valiant

[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
 
Really at this point we just need someone to write up a Seruk omake where being head of personnel for Starfleet was his lifelong ambition, he's got it, and they will pry it from his cold, dead fingers. He's gonna be here when Picard's a captain and Sarek's retired, and you can't stop the crotchety old Vulcans no matter how much you try!

Now get out of his office!
 
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It probably won't be very rewarding to debate the question of Seruk until we actually see the numbers for the snakepit.

EDIT:
I will admit a certain grudging admiration for the bastard. Not sure I'd want to get rid of him, although it'd be nice if we could get a bonus out of him somehow.

EDIT MK II:
Given that Sousa's bonuses apply almost entirely to politics, I suspect the snakepit will look rather different this time than last time.
 
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[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps
[x][NAME1] Odyssey
[X][NAME2] Defiant
[X][NAME3] Huascar

Aka longterm plan #KeepPathfinderAndSojournerTogether
 
I say promote Surek. He's a logical and dependable fellow.
Plus it would add a Vulcan into the second highest level of command, positions currently filled with only Andorians and Humans.
 
[x][CREW] Explorer Corps

[x][NAME1] Odyssey

[X][NAME2] Defiant

[X][NAME3] Kirk

[X][BUILD] Plan 1 Connie-B, 2 Miranda-A, 2 Excelsior, 2 Centaur-A
 
So if my plan wins we'll be laying down seven ships this year. Wow. A long way from the days when one Excelsior was a big investment, isn't it? Not to mention all the ships we'll have coming nto service.

2312 - 5 Constitution-Bs, 1 Excelsior (EC), 1 Oberth
2313 - Kearsage comes back, 2 Constitution-Bs, 1 Excelsior (EC)
2314 - 2 Centaur-A, 1 Constitution-B, 1 Renaissance, 1 Excelsior

Plenty of new promotion opportunities for starship captains, though it will be a couple of years before we get the next non-Explorer Corps Excelsior for our sector fleets.
 
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