The decommissioned Connie-As are no-gos, out of commission and unable to be reactivated.

Warp 9 can be sustained for a long time, the big hope is that they make a friend at some point along the line who can help them run a minor refit at about the halfway mark, because that many Cochrane-hours pumped into the warp coils will require some work.

That sort of work is abstracted during normal operations, though I include a reference to month-long yard visits here and there to let you know this sort of thing is still happening in the background.
 
The whole point of the narrative regarding the Constitution-As is that they cannot be returned to service as functioning explorers or even cruisers. The best you can do is take a few non-ruined parts of one and splice them into a whole new hull.

So I personally hope he says "no."
But are they reusable as a long-range freighter/colony ship?
 
Warp 9 can be sustained for a long time, the big hope is that they make a friend at some point along the line who can help them run a minor refit at about the halfway mark, because that many Cochrane-hours pumped into the warp coils will require some work.
In that case, they should be back 3.5 years afterwards.

3.5 isn't too bad. To get it down to 1 year, we'd need sustainable warp 13.5.
 
Warp 9 can be sustained for a long time, the big hope is that they make a friend at some point along the line who can help them run a minor refit at about the halfway mark, because that many Cochrane-hours pumped into the warp coils will require some work.
So, we're looking for a mining colony site around the 1,200 lightyear mark? Somewhere we can put a 3mt berth and a nice prefabricated cottage to call your own.
I mean, if we just want to build the problem to death that is.
 
Can someone explain to me why we should do this in terms of the expected benefit? What do you think you're going to get out of this, and why will the exploration the ship does on this trip be so much more valuable than the exploration it can do at home?
 
So, we're looking for a mining colony site around the 1,200 lightyear mark? Somewhere we can put a 3mt berth and a nice prefabricated cottage to call your own.
I mean, if we just want to build the problem to death that is.
I'm in favor of using a mothballed Connie as a Mobile Warp core and possible colony ship.

We'd need warp 10 to make that trip in a year, which is a lot more reasonable, and will allow for a relay.

The remaining decommissioned Connie-As are basically clouds of hull material shaped like ships that will disperse as soon as someone turns the power off.
That's good – high quality BR for the Pride of Kadesh to make an outpost with.
 
I'm in favor of using a mothballed Connie as a Mobile Warp core and possible colony ship.

We'd need warp 10 to make that trip in a year, which is a lot more reasonable, and will allow for a relay.


That's good – high quality BR for the Pride of Kadesh to make an outpost with.

We already took anything worth salvaging from the decommissioned Connies to start the ConnieBees. The remainder is useless for anything besides sitting in a museum. This has been addressed many times.
 
Can someone explain to me why we should do this in terms of the expected benefit? What do you think you're going to get out of this, and why will the exploration the ship does on this trip be so much more valuable than the exploration it can do at home?

Because it is a very TOS Federation Starfleet kind of thing to do. Exploration for the sake of exploration, in a place that it would be centuries before we reached otherwise.
That doesn't mean that we will do it - I am certain there will be a push when it comes up to voting, but there is no clear direction on whether to send a ship, and what kind of ship.
If we do vote to send a ship, I will be voting for an explorer hull, as anything less makes no sense to me.


That's good – high quality BR for the Pride of Kadesh to make an outpost with.

It is not even that - turn off the power holding it together and you can punch through the outer hull with a hand-held phaser. The remaining Connie-A hulks are non-viable for anything - we have already stripped any still usable components from them.
 
If we do it, it cannot be a rushed thing. Crew and commander has to be all-volunteer, logistical support suitable to a Starfleet ship and mission loaded onto the Pride of Kadesh, possibly even support ships, exact destination location understood, and so on. That means something like the Stargazer would have to be recrewed, or else it may even be viable to send them off and send one of our future builds to catch up to them. Or in other words, fitting out for this mission would be an undertaking of half a year to a full year.
 
If we do it, it cannot be a rushed thing. Crew and commander has to be all-volunteer, logistical support suitable to a Starfleet ship and mission loaded onto the Pride of Kadesh, possibly even support ships, exact destination location understood, and so on. That means something like the Stargazer would have to be recrewed, or else it may even be viable to send them off and send one of our future builds to catch up to them. Or in other words, fitting out for this mission would be an undertaking of half a year to a full year.
I think we should use the SF-A Excelsior.
 
Can someone explain to me why we should do this in terms of the expected benefit? What do you think you're going to get out of this, and why will the exploration the ship does on this trip be so much more valuable than the exploration it can do at home?
We will likely get a shitton of RP and first contacts while they are in contact range, as well as scouting into an area we will eventually expand into.

We get a ton of stuff from 5YM already, I just expect the rewards will be slightly delayed in this case.
 
This sort of thing could wind up being an entire side quest in and of itself... a little Voyager action running alongside the main quest.

That could wind up being a lot of work unless Oneiros doubles himself > : V
 
Also, we should totally name the SF-A Excelsior USS Sheridan Creighton, one of United Earth's finest wizards diplomats.
 
On a meta level, I like the idea of having a developed playbook for doing cross quadrant runs. Packing for a true wagon train sort of thing. Make sure that everyone has a copy in case they're sucked to the other side of space or something.
On the other hand...
This sort of thing could wind up being an entire side quest in and of itself... a little Voyager action running alongside the main quest.

That could wind up being a lot of work unless Oneiros doubles himself > : V
That is a problem yeah.
 
But are they reusable as a long-range freighter/colony ship?
No.

The hulls have disintegrated. The only thing holding them together would be the structural integrity force fields.

To turn a Constitution-A into a serviceable ship you have to build a new ship. You will, at most, get to reuse a few of the old parts IF they're in shape.

For the Constitution-B rebuilds this made sense because the old Connie-A was a "million ton light explorer," and the ship we needed as a "million ton cruiser." This made it practical to reuse parts and design features from the old ships.

But if we want a ship that does very different things in a different way, we won't want to reuse the old ships. We'd have to drastically rebuild them anyway, in which case it's pointless to talk about "reusing" an old ship when none of the old ship parts will be useful on the new ship.

I'm in favor of using a mothballed Connie as a Mobile Warp core and possible colony ship.
Why are you proposing to pack colonists inside a ship-shaped cloud of metal dust that will disperse as soon as the power switches off? If something goes wrong, everyone dies. Even if nothing goes wrong it might be very dangerous.

Also, if you want a mobile warp core, just bring the warp core. Don't bring the rest of the ship. Easier that way.
 
Captain's Log - 2311.Q3.M2
Federation Council Report, Closed Session, Classification 2-AAA, Lieutenant-Commander ch'Peryk

The Federation Council has voted narrowly to deliver a private rebuke to the High Queens of the Apiata over the reckless escalation with the Cardassians and Sydraxians. Voting for this one basically fell along factional lines with only a few crossing the floor. The Expansionist faction and the President opposed the measure, though not unanimously, as did the Hawks, however they were outvoted by the Pacifist faction, who were strident about the matter, and the Development and Mercantile factions.

Forces operating in the CBZ and SBZ have had non-emergency speed restrictions lifted in order to maintain higher-tempo search patterns, and Starbases 5 and 8 are currently operating at heightened alert.

A skirmish involving a Hasque and a Stinger has apparently also occurred recently, though with an inconclusive result.

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Captain's Log, USS Miracht, Stardate 24481.8 - Captain Langa Mbeki

I have informed Explorer Corps Ops that I am diverting course after picking up unusual warp signatures core-ward of Rigel. My science officer has picked up the trail and we're off on the hunt! I must say I'm very excited, this could be a First Contact scenario. Even so, I am cautious, moving within the subspace wake of their fields. Our calculations of original field strength give us a kilocochrane value, up to the speed of Constitution-As or Excelsiors. I am taking care, trying to learn what I can. After all, you can't win a Test Match in a session, but you can certainly lose one.

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Captain's Log, USS Bon Vivant, Stardate 24482.4 - Captain Shurg kap Klasch

After being dispatched by Sector Command to investigate the loss of communications with the USS Lion, we have travelled to the Aga Carmide system, beyond the galactic south fringes of Betazoid space. This is the last known mission of the Lion, investigating a young star system where the planetary bodies are just beginning to cool from the original accretion disk. I regret to say, apart from a few pockets of duranium residue and some exotic signatures, we've had no good data as to what has occurred here.

The USS Lion issued no distress signal, and we have no current leads. Additional cruisers from Betazed are en route, plus the USS Courageous and Selaya, but I doubt they'll find anything either.

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Captain's Log, USS Miracht, Stardate 24483.5

First contact has been made successfully. We dropped out of warp a safe distance away from the unknown vessel. It is a large, two megaton mass vessel, but built with astounding, ornate engineering. It reminds me most of like a starfaring version of those gothic cathedrals on earth that survived World War III. Amazing sights! Flying buttresses and astounding embellishments. Completely impractical. Despite this, their technological level is roughly on par with our own.

Our opening hails were met in good cheer. They introduced themselves as the Honiani, or Star Kin.

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Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 24484.2 - Captain Rosalee McAdams

It is my regretful duty to report that I believe the USS Lion fell victim to a tremendous spacetime shear. This shear was invoked when a passing quantum filament impacted the young star. The Lion's orbit put it in the path of the resulting distortion in the local frame, which tore the ship into component particles. We have detected this phenomenon still travelling outward in a cone travelling rimward. Thankfully, it is dissipating quickly, though it will no doubt provide fascinating data in gravitational wave research for any nascent spacefarers in its path.

[USS Lion has been lost with all hands]

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Captain's Log, USS Miracht, Stardate 24484.5

We are being escorted to the nearest colony of the Honiani, and I have just returned from a visit to their ship. I have to say, I'm worried by the semi-religious overtones on all subjects, but especially in their approach to technology. Their Captain is not simply an officer, but also the senior spiritual advisor aboard; a sort of 'guru'. From what I have gathered, these are a highly spiritualist people. Their ornate construction is apparently driven by a belief that all the beauty that is taken from nature through resource gathering should be compensated for by beauty in their works.

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Captain's Log, USS Salnas, Stardate 24486.9

We had the opportunity to respond to an Orion ship's distress call, and was able to get there ahead of a vessel we suspect had Syndicate sympathies. Just as well, as a ship with inferior sensor packages would not have noticed the muon feedback loop developing within the ship's warp core until it was too late, and a mere stranding would have resulted in an all-hands-lost breach. The ship contained a number of journalists who were travelling to New Rigel to report on Starfleet actions there. We believe our timely response has earned us many favours, and has been widely reported within Orion Union space.

[+3 Impact]

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Captain's Log, USS Miracht, Stardate 24488.5

After meeting with representatives of the Honian government, I am pleased to report we have a solid rapport. The government is comprised of a democratically elected lower house, and an oligarchical upper house formed of the "most spiritual" among them. The head of state is selected by the lower house from among the upper house. I have met with their fleet commander and their head of state and they are very interested in the Federation. I would caution that while the moderates apparently have control of the government currently, the Honiani have many different political parties and points of view, and their concept of 'Lakhept', or the purge of uncleanliness, has in the past taken on dangerously geopolitical interpretations.

Despite this, the Honiani make for a good set of potential partners.

[New Species Encountered: the Honiani, 80/100]

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If we did want to try to round up an Explorer crew for a different ship, we have 2.5O 5.25E 6.2T on hand. That means a Constellation, Oberth, Miranda, or Centaur. I don't think the later two are good options.
 
It reminds me most of like a starfaring version of those gothic cathedrals on earth that survived World War III.
Star Trek Imperials?
I have to say, I'm worried by the semi-religious overtones on all subjects, but especially in their approach to technology.
Star Trek Imperials.
After meeting with representatives of the Honian government, I am pleased to report we have a solid rapport. The government is comprised of a democratically elected lower house, and an oligarchical upper house formed of the "most spiritual" among them. The head of state is selected by the lower house from among the upper house. I have met with their fleet commander and their head of state and they are very interested in the Federation. I would caution that while the moderates apparently have control of the government currently, the Honiani have many different political parties and points of view, and their concept of 'Lakhept', or the purge of uncleanliness, has in the past taken on dangerously geopolitical interpretations.
Very moderate Star Trek Imperials.
 
So that is now, what, three?, new races encountered in the last couple of posts?

After a long period of quiet, the others are showing up again. Here come the diplomatic pushes ....
 
That sucks about the Lion. If I remember rightly, that was Nash's first command. I don't think we'll have to switch any ships around, but our margin is still narrower.
 
Federation Council Report, Closed Session, Classification 2-AAA, Lieutenant-Commander ch'Peryk

That was to be expected.

[USS Lion has been lost with all hands]

Damn.


Yes!

[New Species Encountered: the Honiani, 80/100]

Oh, this oughta be good.
 
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