"No shit, there I was": I'm not sure what the mechanic is, probably something about being able to borrow solutions from member fleets, but that's the name.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Leslie, after several years of this:So, like, send him to a different shipyard every few years? The Gaeni yards if we're being especially cruel?
"Somebody screws it up, they send me to screw it back down. Somebody screws it up, they send me to screw it back down. It's just like the '70s. And the '80s. Only with more brass, whiter hair, and more touchscreens."
Leslie:
"Ayup. Seruk explained it to me back in '70. And in '72, more patiently and with flowcharts. The '60s filing system was never really designed to handle a redshirt who was legally alive, dead, and on light duty for medical reasons all at the same time."
A Toast
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- Australia
Nighttime, San Francisco
The farewell party has finally wound down and the hour is well past midnight. Old friends have parted like ghosts into the night, leaving but few in their wake. In time you yourself walk away from the function and its laughter, tears, and memories, down to the streets of old San Francisco. You know the sight you wish to see; there is an overlook to the Golden Gate Bridge. It is a place that did much to stir your early longings for space, with the power of its views and lights. Old ships still pass in the night, while new ones occasionally flash overhead. If you have a telescope of any quality, you can see the orbiting San Francisco Fleet Yards.
Those left with you are now either those nearest and dearest, the surviving senior crew of the NCC-1701's Five Year Mission. Uhura and Chekov, Bones and Spock, Rand and Leslie. For you all, the hour is late, but it seems you will be the first whose time with the fleet will be claimed by time rather than the many-splendoured dangers of space. With your friends at your side you look out upon the bay.
"When Admiral Sousa had her last day," you say aloud to your brothers and sisters-in-arms. "I quoted to her an old verse. 'To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.' It seems to me this a good time. It has certainly been a good season with you all."
"You have the cups, Nyota?" asks Pavel.
"Right here," she replies.
"And you have the whiskey, Eddie?" continues Pavel.
"Certainly do," replies the old hand.
"Alright, let's pour out the toast."
"It is good to see that after so many years, Earth has yet to run out of nonsensical traditions to teach me," observes Spock.
"Don't go all green-blooded on us now," retorts Leonard. "Now pass those cups around."
The cups go around the group, chased by the whiskey bottle. When all are laden, Janice gives the toast. "To the finest Helmsman, Captain, Admiral, Musketeer, and Friend."
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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A toast
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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That was one long farewell party - lasting a whole 3 months! 
A toast to both the ending of a season and the beginning of a new year, both in-game and out!
But still, even if it would've been inefficient to expand it in lieu of Utopia Planitia - and far more so now with the development party no longer in the reins - I kinda regret not adding a second 3mt berth to the SF shipyard, that @Void Stalker had advocated for, for so long.
A toast to both the ending of a season and the beginning of a new year, both in-game and out!
You know, the SF fleet yards have never once changed in the 20 year span of this whole quest so far. Not once have they expanded since at least 2300 (when the Miranda that commissioned in 2302 must have commenced). Well, perhaps that 10% berth size increase from our research counts.
But still, even if it would've been inefficient to expand it in lieu of Utopia Planitia - and far more so now with the development party no longer in the reins - I kinda regret not adding a second 3mt berth to the SF shipyard, that @Void Stalker had advocated for, for so long.
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Secretly Oneiros rolls a d100 every year, waiting for that nat 100 to start the greatest event in the entirety of To Boldly Go.
...We have yet to roll above a 40.
Thors_Alumni
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We can always correct that on the next snakepit. and I was also one of the people who wanted that 3MT berth as well.That was one long farewell party - lasting a whole 3 months!
A toast to both the ending of a season and the beginning of a new year, both in-game and out!
You know, the SF fleet yards have never once changed in the 20 year span of this whole quest so far. Not once have they expanded since at least 2300 (when the Miranda that commissioned in 2302 must have commenced). Well, perhaps that 10% berth size increase from our research counts.
But still, even if it would've been inefficient to expand it in lieu of Utopia Planitia - and far more so now with the development party no longer in the reins - I kinda regret not adding a second 3mt berth to the SF shipyard, that @Void Stalker had advocated for, for so long.
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God knows we only have 33mt in the Sol System, but 47pp is a lot for a single 3mt berth especially when UP can build 4mt of berth space for 38pp
Thors_Alumni
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I meant building more berths at San Francisco fleet yards be they 3MT or smaller.
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Side note:
Measuring berths of different size by adding up their tonnage isn't necessarily a good move. A three-megaton berth isn't really three times as valuable to us as a one-megaton berth, given how many cruisers and frigates we need to fill out our fleet composition.
Measuring berths of different size by adding up their tonnage isn't necessarily a good move. A three-megaton berth isn't really three times as valuable to us as a one-megaton berth, given how many cruisers and frigates we need to fill out our fleet composition.
Agreed. We have 19 Excelsiors but only 25 each of Cruisers (including Cheron) and Escorts. And half of those escorts are shitty Mirandas with 2S and 1P.
If we want to make good on Kepler and Comet spam, we're going to need more 1MT Berths.
Oh, and now that the Centaur-B has 4S & 4P, the Renaissance is effectively obsolete for event-response until it gets a 5S-Refit.
Forgothrax
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I'd argue against building too many more centralized 3mt berths. I'd prefer to have a nice scattering of them across the Federation so we have repair support, but no more than that. It's not like we'll be building more than 6 Ambys at a time.
Wouldn't say it's obsolete. Still plenty useful for leading Presence missions. S3 is still decent. The Rennie probably won't do better than S4 on a refit, and that's fine because it has a very different mission profile than the Kepler.
Wouldn't say it's obsolete. Still plenty useful for leading Presence missions. S3 is still decent. The Rennie probably won't do better than S4 on a refit, and that's fine because it has a very different mission profile than the Kepler.
The Constellation already has S4 and any future refit will bring it to S5. The Rennie feels like it's perpetually incapable of outperforming the ship it was supposed to replace.
lbmaian
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Okay, I might wish the SF Fleet Yards had dual 3mt berths just to take advantage of HIP parallel construction bonuses and for the, well, sentimental value of improving the shipyard that produced both of the prior Enterprises.
But building another berth at SF is still not a good idea for many reasons.
1) It's still less efficient than building at UP.
2) Berths have become a lot more expensive with the pacifists taking over the reins of power from the developmentalists.
3) We don't really need more 3mt berths. There's a reason we've been trying to build more 1mt and 2mt berths. Any 3mt berths we get are part of a package deal with UP expansions or new shipyards.
4) Even if we're just talking about adding a 1mt berth, there are other shipyards we could expand at equivalent price that are closer to any expected fleet action (or just decentralization), even accounting for the HIP bonus.
5) MOST IMPORTANTLY, we have a large PP shortfall for the next snakepit.
You're really underselling the Renaissance.
The Constellation role used to be a generalist cruiser, but as the Constellation-A, it's role is now a support cruiser - it's supposed to be more optimized for event response now. The Renaissance, in contrast, is a true next-generation generalist cruiser, just with more of a combat bias. It's a capable combatant and it had decent event response when it arrived on the scene. In fact, it's technically slightly superior to the Constellation-A in overall event response when accounting for its relative +1D (S3 P4 D5 vs S4 P3 D4).
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Forgothrax
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You're missing the point of the designs. We refit the Constie into a response cruiser because we knew it would suck ass as a combatant. The Rennie is both a primary combatant as well as a response ship, so it's a definite improvement on the Constie, since it can kick the Constie's ass. It's also got better response, and while the Constie has +1S the Rennie has +1P. Overall, I'd say response capability is about the same except for the higher D, and the Rennie is much more capable in a fight. Ergo, outperforms the Constie. Just not in one single dimension, which is fine by me. I'm looking at the possibility depending on refit potential to make the Rennie-A within 1-2 stat points of an original EXCELSIOR. That is damn good.
To be fair, the REAL ship that the Renni replaces is the Connie-B, the constie-A is more of a support ship that'll be replaced by the Kepler
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The Renaissance-class was actually a great ship released at just the right moment. Sure, we might have more specialized event responders today, but the Renaissance is basically this generation's Golden Standard for cruisers against which all is measured. It also bears to remember that at the time it was designed and released, we were really strapped for a medium-weight, combat-capable vessel, to the point it was a fairly major consideration in the strategy against Cardassians. Practically the only reason we've gotten Connie-B was because we physically couldn't develop new design fast enough. It should also be mentioned that it's still a "stock" design, without refits that Starfleet is known for.
I'm sure that with Refits, what is an already good cruiser can be turned into beat mode-light; though with Keplers coming out I'd say there can be an argument made for a Rennie-refit being more combat-oriented that others we have.
I'm sure that with Refits, what is an already good cruiser can be turned into beat mode-light; though with Keplers coming out I'd say there can be an argument made for a Rennie-refit being more combat-oriented that others we have.
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The Constitution-B was itself a replacement for the stock Constellation design, which was grossly unsatisfactory as a generalist cruiser in a galaxy where the Jaldun was a thing.
The Renaissance is a comparatively minor advance over the ConnieBee design in terms of performance; the main reason for us to have adopted it is its future growth potential.
The Renaissance is a comparatively minor advance over the ConnieBee design in terms of performance; the main reason for us to have adopted it is its future growth potential.
We haven't seen a body yet. There's still a chance that ka'Athnon will stumble over her on her next extradimensional jaunt.
Replying to past posts.
I think that would be a shame, although I agree that we want to spread the Kepler as far and wide as possible.
That would be more palatable, the member worlds having their own variations/refits of Starfleet-standard vessels.
I tried Kimchi for the first time in November. It was great!
That was disappointing.
Neat.
Did we manage to kill or capture Adam?
Yep, still Gaeni.
Are they...
They are!
The Federation is going to have to keep doing this until it sticks, isn't it? Stesk is unamused!
For like the 10th time, Nazi Aliens are why the Temporal Prime Directive exists!
Do not mess with the timeline!
In other words, exactly what we did to the Orion Syndicate.
In other words, exactly what were doing with the Hishmeri.
That's a contributing factor, yes.
I thought they were based on Crest of the Stars.
Somebody dig up Leila's stick drawing of an Amarki and Ferengi having an ear-measuring competition!
To be fair;
1. TOS is episodic with no overarching season or series plot line and it's quality can vary heavily from episode to episode.
2. Babylon 5 takes a few episodes to build up steam and the CGI of Season-1 is noticeably inferior to Seasons 3 & 4. Season 1 also has the dubious 'honor' of containing possibly the worst episode from Seasons 1-4, TKO.
Just like Vul...
Ok, not exactly like Vulcans.
Asshole. Shit like this is why the Prime Directive exists and why the Federation is overprotective of pre-Warp species.
Yep, Starfleet captain material all right!
Neat!
So far, that seems to be the case.
Honestly, they can have the h & g sectors (with the exception of 1g) so long as they stay out of the f-sectors. If negotiations don't start this year, I think we should go on the offensive to make sure they stay out of 4f & 3f.
@OneirosTheWriter , I would also like to know what the deal is with the Sydraxians.
Yes, we can do stranger. Spock's Brain.
I rest my case.
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And now for current events.
Getting the 3s out of the stat-lines of our Cruisers would be a good start!
Thankfully, there's a doctrine tech coming up that will help us with our shortage of 1MT Berths.
A real shame this lost out to Attack Pattern Omega.
And now these killers exist!
Even the fucking Cardie cruisers have 4S now! The Rennie needs 5S in order to simply have a competitive edge over the Jaldon-refit! How am I the only one who sees this!
I think that would be a shame, although I agree that we want to spread the Kepler as far and wide as possible.
That would be more palatable, the member worlds having their own variations/refits of Starfleet-standard vessels.
I tried Kimchi for the first time in November. It was great!
That was disappointing.
Neat.
Did we manage to kill or capture Adam?
Yep, still Gaeni.
Are they...
They are!
The Federation is going to have to keep doing this until it sticks, isn't it? Stesk is unamused!
For like the 10th time, Nazi Aliens are why the Temporal Prime Directive exists!
Do not mess with the timeline!
In other words, exactly what we did to the Orion Syndicate.
In other words, exactly what were doing with the Hishmeri.
That's a contributing factor, yes.
I thought they were based on Crest of the Stars.
Somebody dig up Leila's stick drawing of an Amarki and Ferengi having an ear-measuring competition!
To be fair;
1. TOS is episodic with no overarching season or series plot line and it's quality can vary heavily from episode to episode.
2. Babylon 5 takes a few episodes to build up steam and the CGI of Season-1 is noticeably inferior to Seasons 3 & 4. Season 1 also has the dubious 'honor' of containing possibly the worst episode from Seasons 1-4, TKO.
Just like Vul...
Leila Hann said:
Ok, not exactly like Vulcans.
Asshole. Shit like this is why the Prime Directive exists and why the Federation is overprotective of pre-Warp species.
Yep, Starfleet captain material all right!
Neat!
So far, that seems to be the case.
Honestly, they can have the h & g sectors (with the exception of 1g) so long as they stay out of the f-sectors. If negotiations don't start this year, I think we should go on the offensive to make sure they stay out of 4f & 3f.
@OneirosTheWriter , I would also like to know what the deal is with the Sydraxians.
Yes, we can do stranger. Spock's Brain.
I rest my case.
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And now for current events.
Getting the 3s out of the stat-lines of our Cruisers would be a good start!
Thankfully, there's a doctrine tech coming up that will help us with our shortage of 1MT Berths.
A real shame this lost out to Attack Pattern Omega.
And now these killers exist!
Even the fucking Cardie cruisers have 4S now! The Rennie needs 5S in order to simply have a competitive edge over the Jaldon-refit! How am I the only one who sees this!
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We will get a Rennie-A design - shortly after Phaser Array and Isolinear Computing roll out of development. And there is speculation that the refit will see the Rennie similar in stats to an original Excelsior.
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This is a tentative stat line, it is not confirmed as workable.
C6 S4 H5 L6 P4 D6
EDIT:
This is a tentative stat line, it is not confirmed as workable.
C6 S4 H5 L6 P4 D6
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Forgothrax
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Because, to put bluntly...
What you are seeing is intentional choices made in doctrine. The Cardassians are going for a Lone Ranger in miniature, substituting cruisers for Explorers. This means that most of their ships have decent stats, but if they run into any Hard checks they don't have any specialists with high stats to throw at the problem. We, on the other hand, are deploying specialist response ships (Keplers) that we backstop with a decent generalist cruiser (Rennie) and have final recourse in our large number of heavier ships with excellent stats and Veterancy (Excelsior). No one ship has to be better in all stats than another if they are being built for different reasons. The Renny does not have to have an S-score superior to the Jaldun or it's inferior. It has to be able to do it's job, which is to act as a decent generalist and vanguard combatant. It's capable of doing that. We have other designs to pick up the slack which allow us to beat the Cardassians in other ways, because we CANNOT build cruisers like they can. Just like they can't build Explorers like we can.
The Rennie is in and of itself a miracle because the Jaldun-II is 200kt heavier and is made with newer technology and is STILL only +1SHL -1D. It's a damn good ship that accomplishes what we want from it, because it fits our system of operations.
System. Working. As. Fucking. Intended. 'nuff said.
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