Federation Personnel: Leaniss, get off the chair, it's Zhang's turn!
Leaniss: But I don't want to!
Federation Personnel: Listen young lady, play nice or no ice cream for you tonight.
*Zhang, peering from behind Personnel, pokes her tongue out*
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Federation Personnel: Leaniss, get off the chair, it's Zhang's turn!
Leaniss: But I don't want to!
Federation Personnel: Listen young lady, play nice or no ice cream for you tonight.
*Zhang, peering from behind Personnel, pokes her tongue out*
The skull on Zhang's commissar hat is also sticking it's tongue out.
That's just bad luck, you know? And again, it wouldn't be all year.
Whereas how much will it cost when you pulling the GBZ down to three lousy cruisers cripples us. What I mostly don't like is you depending so heavily on Mirandas. We need more heavy metal. We could make Mirandas the second sector ships instead.
Theunderbolt
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Poor Mirandas. No respect for the redshirt of starships.
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We have room for captains to return again now. We're going to need captains for the big ambassador wave, and we don't have a backlog of promissing EC captains sitting around like we did earlier in the quest. (Captain T'Rinta comes to mind.) Most importantly, at one point we started getting EC captiains that had smaller mechanical bonuses than we used to. At one point we had shrunk the list so much that we got a message saying that the panel was opening up some. After that it became rare to find a potential EC captain with as impactful stats or re-rolls. I'd do an analysis and find the posts but my comupter's borked. >_< Point is, we've got good reason to send good captains out for a second five-year mission now. I don't know if it'll work out with when the missions end and when our new Ambassadors are launching though... If we were in charge of personel, it might be possible to not promote someone up-and-out so they could get anither EC captainship in a couple years.
Also, with the exception of that Betazoid guy with re-rolls on hard DC events, Zhang is in a heavier weight class than the other EC panel captains in recent years. Anyone who says she shouldn't get the Enterprise will be viciously attacked by words.
Also, with the exception of that Betazoid guy with re-rolls on hard DC events, Zhang is in a heavier weight class than the other EC panel captains in recent years. Anyone who says she shouldn't get the Enterprise will be viciously attacked by words.
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It's not that Zhang shouldn't, it's that Leaniss should. If the Enterprise-B hadn't been lost at Aga Carmide, Leaniss would have been a great candidate for the 2316-20 five-year mission.We have room for captains to return again now. We're going to need captains for the big ambassador wave, and we don't have a backlog of promissing EC captains sitting around like we did earlier in the quest. (Captain T'Rinta comes to mind.) Most importantly, at one point we started getting EC captiains that had smaller mechanical bonuses than we used to. At one point we had shrunk the list so much that we got a message saying that the panel was opening up some. After that it became rare to find a potential EC captain with as impactful stats or re-rolls. I'd do an analysis and find the posts but my comupter's borked. >_< Point is, we've got good reason to send good captains out for a second five-year mission now. I don't know if it'll work out with when the missions end and when our new Ambassadors are launching though... If we were in charge of personel, it might be possible to not promote someone up-and-out so they could get anither EC captainship in a couple years.
Also, with the exception of that Betazoid guy with re-rolls on hard DC events, Zhang is in a heavier weight class than the other EC panel captains in recent years. Anyone who says she shouldn't get the Enterprise will be viciously attacked by words.
Which is what makes it a sad personnel/waifu choice.
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Honestly, what worries me the most about the pacifist president isn't starfleet tactical, its that our combat frigate is horribly out of date, and getting permission to update it is going to be horrible.
We just got the Centaur-B and Generalist.
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...Yes and? She just got here, and not being able to even start the upgrade process for years is going to suck.
You of the opinion that the Generalist is obsolete right out of the gate?
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No, I'm of the opinion that I want a combat frigate that we'd actually consider building. Mind you, I'm also of the opinion that we probably should have upgraded the combat frigate rather than the general. The General doesn't have a big upgrade over the B, while some of the cheaper rapid build combat designs have real promise.
You're about to stick your fist into the hornet's nest that is 'upgrading the combat frigate'-upgrading it HOW? Are you willing to accept a huge frigate on the same scale and cost as the Generalist? Are you going to go for marginal upgrades of the Miranda? Do you aim for something even smaller and cheaper? What stats are key to the combat frigate, now that frigates need S and D for scouting and skirmishing, as well as H and L for survivability and C to deal damage?
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Given that we're going for a design that will be a much better skirmisher than the CB, that's an incorrect analysis.
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smaller and cheaper. Powerful vanguard frigate.
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We can get a lot of that value via a Miranda "refit" that's in the same vein as the ConnieBs. Not quite as good, but close enough for our purposes.
But we've built up a Lone Ranger style fleet that thrives when it's outnumbered. You'd have us stuff our fleets to the gills with frigates on the swarm doctrine instead, depending on numbers to swamp enemy targeting and prevent attritional losses? Because I don't see 'powerful vanguard' and 'smaller and cheaper' synching up here. Indeed, significant (-10 BR/SR) cost and (-1E) crew savings can only come at the cost of capabilities, even with burst torpedoes and phaser arrays. Because just one of each of those weapons will push you dangerously up there in weight class, and you'll need to cut other systems to the bone, if I understand the construction rules correctly.
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Leaniss in particular is a good candidate for it. She is extremely popular with her own people and is a major fixture of the early expansion of Kahurangi's tenure. She is a symbol for how far the Federation has come. Leavin*her in another 5ym stretch simply extends how long we can keep her in play, so long as we don't let her fade away. *points at Nash*
I still think she should be given the Enterprise, and because of her own achievements and worth. That's not to say there aren't other reasons, especially political ones, but she is eminently qualified as the captain of an Enterprise. Even has the attitude for it.
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I'm reasonably sure we could organize it well enough. We aren't complete idiots.
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President Pacifist: "Good news, I have rescinded your order to reorganise Starfleet Tactical, instead I have funded a new arm, The Starfleet Peacecorps will undertake 5yr missions to provide
"Starting next council we will be introducing a new minimum P cap for Starfleet, already my Vulcan colleagues have proposals for new 0C presence ships we can build!"
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FYI, Iron Wolf revealed the stats of the Indorian frigate refits in discord (and refit costs) Contrast with the original frigates (note: Indorian Large Escort is the Vendan, Indorian Patrol Escort is the Peketa).
Peketa: C3 S1 H1 L2 P1 D2, 50br 45sr 477kt 2yr O-1 E-1 T-1
Peketa-A: C3 S3 H1 L2 P1 D3, 50br 40sr (refit: 20br 20sr) 477kt 2yr* O-1 E-1 T-1
=> S+2 D+1 -5sr
Vendan: C4 S2 H2 L3 P1 D2, 90br 65sr 892kt 2yr O-1 E-2 T-2
Vendan-A: C4 S2 H3 L4 P1 D3, 90br 65sr (refit: 30br 20sr) 892kt 2yr* O-1 E-2 T-2
=> H+1 L+1 D+1
* wasn't stated, but assumed to be same as pre-refit values
edit: add refit costs
These are not berths that Starfleet has access to for new ship builds, and only has non-priority access for repairs. This helps the Indorians and STO, but not Starfleet directly, and has little bearing on whether Starfleet itself needs more berths.
Peketa: C3 S1 H1 L2 P1 D2, 50br 45sr 477kt 2yr O-1 E-1 T-1
Peketa-A: C3 S3 H1 L2 P1 D3, 50br 40sr (refit: 20br 20sr) 477kt 2yr* O-1 E-1 T-1
=> S+2 D+1 -5sr
Vendan: C4 S2 H2 L3 P1 D2, 90br 65sr 892kt 2yr O-1 E-2 T-2
Vendan-A: C4 S2 H3 L4 P1 D3, 90br 65sr (refit: 30br 20sr) 892kt 2yr* O-1 E-2 T-2
=> H+1 L+1 D+1
* wasn't stated, but assumed to be same as pre-refit values
edit: add refit costs
These are not berths that Starfleet has access to for new ship builds, and only has non-priority access for repairs. This helps the Indorians and STO, but not Starfleet directly, and has little bearing on whether Starfleet itself needs more berths.
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While Zhang has her supporters, there is competition from Leaniss supporters.
Until there is a vote, we don't really know how many silent supporters each has.
Personally, I'm inclined to give Enterprise to Zhang, but I'll be happy as long as she gets either of the Ambassador twins.
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See, thing is, there shouldn't even be a vote. Leaniss's tour on the Tarrak doesn't end until 2322.Q1, after the Ambassadors launch. Maybe if we had upgraded personel, we'd have the tools as players to finagle it, but the only way she can come up in the vote is QM fiat.
More impritantly, though, this is a vote that already happened. Take a loom at the discussion here: Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2336
I think I have a (better) post on this somewhere, but the short of it is that there was discussion for that vote about not having Zhang or Leaniss take the Tarrak so that one of them could take the Enterprise when it launched. (It's kinda funny how they both are the same age, and both were on the Enterprise-B.) Anyways, keeping it short, Zhang has since veen benched for multiple EC captainships despite having the most powerful diplomacy of anyone who's ever been on the EC captain's pannel.
Bending the rules to get Leaniss on the Enterprise would be unfair. In-universe, it would be massively unfair. There's no reason we can't give Larai Leaniss a second tour on the Tarrak. Plus, she got a really nice piece here: Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2341
In retrospect, I think having an Amarkian become an EC captain less than two decades after they even met the Federation is a pretty darn meaningful gesture by itself. *shrug*