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Chaos Blade said:
Then we should be able to go straight to the legislative and have the option of fighting that there? because as it stood, it seemed the president blocking it directly, instead of some legislative issue being spearheaded by the president
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Almost all branches of government likely have the power to block/veto action by any other. So, yes, we probably could go through the legislature and get it done for a huge pp cost, but that would alienate the president's pick for admiral against the president. It would be the same shit as what went on with the cat-lady, again. I don't really see this as such a crucial issue that we need to make enemies over it.

Edit: IMO, this is mostly just a power play of one political faction over their opposite, and doesn't actually affect us. We have other promotions and reorgs we can do.

What you guys have to remember is that the president is the one picking the Admiral of Starfleet. Not us, at least not in-universe. They expect the Admiral to go along with their philosophy, and elevating the position of Starfleet Tactical to the Admiralty is certainly not a pacifist philosophy.
 
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uhura had comm`s command for a while there right ? she might be far more diplomatic

even if she has a bit of a (forgive the pun) darker tone too her then before
 
pbluekan said:
What you guys have to remember is that the president is the one picking the Admiral of Starfleet. Not us, at least not in-universe. They expect the Admiral to go along with their philosophy, and elevating the position of Starfleet Tactical to the Admiralty is certainly not a pacifist philosophy.
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I mean... if you say so? Tactical is basically our forward-planning division that is supposed to keep a grip on what missions our fleet will have to meet over the long term and what ships will be required. We voted to elevate them to Admiral because the job has gotten really big as the Federation and Starfleet have expanded. They aren't the war-department of war, even though that's one component of their jobs.

I'm frankly mystified why the President decided this was some kind of philosophical line in the sand. If you had asked me beforehand, I would have put Starfleet Tactical on the list of things Pacifists might be uncomfortable with about Starfleet, but way down from the top. I don't care that much, but I'm looking forward to the explanation post.
 
Briefvoice said:
I mean... if you say so? Tactical is basically our forward-planning division that is supposed to keep a grip on what missions our fleet will have to meet over the long term and what ships will be required. We voted to elevate them to Admiral because the job has gotten really big as the Federation and Starfleet have expanded. They aren't the war-department of war, even though that's one component of their jobs.

I'm frankly mystified why the President decided this was some kind of philosophical line in the sand. If you had asked me beforehand, I would have put Starfleet Tactical on the list of things Pacifists might be uncomfortable with about Starfleet, but way down from the top. I don't care that much, but I'm looking forward to the explanation post.
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I assume Sulu will have a single meeting with President Okaar before retirement where he politely radiates concerned disapproval over this choice. Like, this is a really weird time to block Sulu's suggestions because he's probably going into politics like Mbeki and Rogers, and if he says on-camera that President Okaar put partisan knife-fighting and posturing over cooperation and IDIC during his tenure as Commander of Starfleet it could well cost her the Presidency.
 
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It was always obvious to me that we would eventually remember the N'Gir presidency as a lost golden age.;)
She might have been delusional but it was in ways that were mostly beneficial to (her) Starfleet.
 
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I assume Sulu will have a single meeting with President Okaar before retirement where he politely radiates concerned disapproval over this choice. Like, this is a really weird time to block Sulu's suggestions because he's probably going into politics like Mbeki and Rogers, and if he says on-camera that President Okaar put partisan knife-fighting and posturing over cooperation and IDIC during his tenure as Commander of Starfleet it could well cost her the Presidency.
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I did not get the impression Sulu was going to go into politics. I expect him to enjoy his retirement, practicing his fencing and writing his memoirs, and nagging Demora about grandchildren.
 
So we've had an Expansionist, a Development and now a Pacifist President. Next will be either a Mercantile who's only concerned with the sweet, sweet latinum, or Rogers as a Hawk President.
 
Briefvoice said:
I mean... if you say so? Tactical is basically our forward-planning division that is supposed to keep a grip on what missions our fleet will have to meet over the long term and what ships will be required. We voted to elevate them to Admiral because the job has gotten really big as the Federation and Starfleet have expanded. They aren't the war-department of war, even though that's one component of their jobs.
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I do agree with you for the most part about the role of Tactical, but the bolded portion is likely the general view of the department from the outside, especially among hardliners.
 
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So we've had an Expansionist, a Development and now a Pacifist President. Next will be either a Mercantile who's only concerned with the sweet, sweet latinum, or Rogers as a Hawk President.
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I think Rogers is too publicly tainted in the eyes of the Federation as a whole to be President. They would probably put some prominent Amarki in the position while he plays the role of power broker in the background.

If they did put Rogers in charge I'd hope we would have a vote to resign in protest. That man does not belong in power.
 
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Glassware said:
I think Rogers is too publicly tainted in the eyes of the Federation as a whole to be President. They would probably put some prominent Amarki in the position while he plays the role of power broker in the background.

If they did put Rogers in charge I'd hope we would have a vote to resign in protest. That man does not belong in power.
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I think that might be going a tad too far. Rogers had more than a few problems playing against him, honestly, no CNO would have done well after the whole plot thing came to light. he did missmanagedthings, yes. but if he learned from it? I mean, its been decades since! and that is another important point, it has been decades since, both to the voters of the core four, and to all the new members that probably never heard of Rogers or don't really care emotionally about the guy.
 
Briefvoice said:
I mean... if you say so? Tactical is basically our forward-planning division that is supposed to keep a grip on what missions our fleet will have to meet over the long term and what ships will be required. We voted to elevate them to Admiral because the job has gotten really big as the Federation and Starfleet have expanded. They aren't the war-department of war, even though that's one component of their jobs.

I'm frankly mystified why the President decided this was some kind of philosophical line in the sand. If you had asked me beforehand, I would have put Starfleet Tactical on the list of things Pacifists might be uncomfortable with about Starfleet, but way down from the top. I don't care that much, but I'm looking forward to the explanation post.
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Assuming you're right, then the President probably had a problem with the individual in question rather than making Starfleet Tactical an Admirals position.
 
Ok, Explorer Corp Captains.

Changes to Explorer Panel of Captains
Out: Sabek (promotion), Shurg kap Klasch (promotion)
In: T'Arvit, Nalae Veraniss, Iliae Rurliss, Zolani Volanen
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I believe I found the most recent listing of possible captains? It obviously does not have anything on the four newcomers. This is from 2320Q1. I've pulled Sabek and Klasch, as well as the three captains who had been on this list and got ships at that vote.

Captain Jeanette Devereaux
Human Female, 45
Current Assignment: Captain, USS Sojourner
A science division officer at heart, Captain Devereaux is in rare company among officers for protesting being assigned the brand-new Typhoon over the old Suvek. +1 S, +1 to First Contact missions

Captain Percival Amin
Human Male, 46
Current Assignment: Deputy Director, Mission Control Room, Starfleet Operations Command
A man with a surprising knack for finding himself in dangerous areas, but who learned much from Rear Admiral Uhura. One of the very few fluent non-Vulcan speakers of that language. +1 L, +1 to any internal diplomacy.

Captain Abigail Taggart
Human Female, 46
Current Assignment: Captain, USS Endurance
A protege of Victoria Eaton, Captain Taggart's polite demeanor belies an astonishing facility at combat. +1 C, +1 H.

Captain Jennifer Zhang
Human Female, 42
Current Assignment: Captain, USS Spirit
Patient, meticulous, and insightful, Jennifer Zhang has spent years far afield from the Federation both on Enterprise and as part of an officer exchange with the Honiani. Since her return she has served capably as captain of USS Challorn. Re-roll any failed diplomacy roll, +1 P, +1 H
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The previous plan was that Zhang gets Enterprise - we've had people grooming her for that position for probably over 10 game years now. Whether one of the four newbies has a bonus good enough to override this, will be up to the voters. Unless someone gets a serious voting lead over Zhang, the main voting competiton will be over who get Ambassador.
 
Goat said:
Ok, Explorer Corp Captains.

The previous plan was that Zhang gets Enterprise - we've had people grooming her for that position for probably over 10 game years now. Whether one of the four newbies has a bonus good enough to override this, will be up to the voters. Unless someone gets a serious voting lead over Zhang, the main voting competiton will be over who get Ambassador.
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Except the next EC Captain vote will actually be for the Voshov, which is coming out of refit 2321.Q1 and needs a captain. The Ambassador/Enterprise vote will probably be at the end of the year, right before Q4.
 
Briefvoice said:
Except the next EC Captain vote will actually be for the Voshov, which is coming out of refit 2321.Q1 and needs a captain. The Ambassador/Enterprise vote will probably be at the end of the year, right before Q4.
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Well, then we will get to see the stats of the four new comers and lets us get a three quarter head start of arguing over who get the Ambassador twins.
 
Playing with a proposal for next year's fleet distribution. Every sector has 2+ ships and the GBZ is up by +8C. It also frees up 2 Rennies and an Excelsior-A for TF duties. This could allow us to start 3 diplo-TFs and put 2 points of member world reinforcements into the GBZ (16C if we grab 2 Arquilla, a Mekpali, and an Anacail). Does not take into account ships going in/out of refit or repair until I get some feedback on how things split.

Ship Deployment 2321Q1

Sol Sector – Requires D18 (Supported by LBZ and SBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 10 = 3 homeworlds (Earth, Betazed, Gaen), 7 other major worlds)
  • 2 Starbase I (14) [Earth, Betazed]
1 Constie
1 Centaur-A (Blooded)

Vulcan Sector – Requires D10 (supported by RBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 1 homeworld (Vulcan), 4 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase I (7)
1 Constie
1 Miranda-A (B)
Andor Sector – Requires D7 (supported by RBZ and KBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 1 homeworld (Andoria), 4 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase I (7)
1 Constie
1 Connie

Tellar Sector – Requires D7 (supported by SBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworld (Tellar Prime), 3 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase I (7), Extra Outposts (5)
1 Constie
1 Connie

Amarkia Sector – Requires D7 (supported by SBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworld (Amarkia), 3 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase I (7), Extra Outposts (5)
1 Centaur-A (Blooded)
1 Connie

Ferasa Sector – Requires D13 (supported by TBZ and KBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 2 homeworld (Ferasa, Risa), 3 other major worlds)
  • 1 Starbase I (7)
1 Constie
1 Connie

Rigel Sector – Requires D7 (supported by LBZ and SBZ and HBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworlds (Rigel), 3 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase I (7)
1 Centaur-A
1 Miranda (B)

Apinae Sector – Requires D10 (supported by CBZ and SBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 6 = 2 homeworlds (Apinae, Indoria), 4 other major worlds
  • 2 Starbase I (14) [Grand Hive of Apinae, Indorian Starbase], Extra Outposts [5]
1 Constie
1 Connie (B)

Alukk Sector – Requires D7 (supported by TBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 1 homeworld (Alukk), 4 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase (7) [Alukk Station]
1 Centaur-A
1 Connie

Rethelia Sector – Requires D12 (supported by TBZ)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 8 = 4 homeworlds (Rethelia, Fiiral, Arqueniou, Ashidi), 4 other major worlds
  • 2 Starbase I (7) [Rethelia Starbase, Aqwuenious Starbase]
1 Centaur-A (Blooded)
1 Constie

Romulan Border Zone – Requires D15 (Supports Vulcan and Andoria sectors)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 1 major world (Solitude)
  • 1 Starbase I (7)
1 Oberth
1 Excelsior
1 Reniassance

Klingon Border Zone – Requires D13 (Supports Andor and Ferasa Sectors)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 3 = 1 homeworld (Caldonia), 2 other major worlds
  • 1 Starbase I (7) [Shrantet]
1 Oberth
1 Excelsior

Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D12 (Supports Apinae sector)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: None
  • 1 Starbase I (7) [Lapycorias]
1 Excelsior-A
1 Reniassance

Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D11 (Supports Apinae, Amarkia, Tellar, Sol, and Rigel sectors)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 2 major worlds (Vega, Klivvar Proxima)
  • 1 Starbase I (7) [Vega]
1 Excelsior-A
Cheron
1 Oberth

Licori Border Zone – Requires D11 (Supports Sol and Rigel sectors)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworld (Paddah), 3 other major worlds
  • No Starbase
1 Oberth
1 Excelsior-A
1 Reniassance

Horizon Border Zone – Requires D9 (Supports Rigel sector)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 9 = 6 homeworlds (Kelowna, Laian, Wumei, Vail, Obar, Okatha), 3 other major worlds
  • No starbase
1 Excelsior-A
1 Reniassance

Themis Border Zone – Requires D7 (Supports Apinae, Alukk, Rethelia, Ferasa sectors)
  • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 0
  • In 2321.Q4 – 1 Starbase (7)

1 Excelsior-A
1 Reniassance

Gabriel Border Zone – Requirement Left to Starfleet judgment. Have ships for scouting, skirmishing, Vanguard, and Heavy Metal Phases of fleet battles. Last note was that more ships are needed for further expansin.

-12 Miranda
-2 Centaur-A
-3 Rennie
-2 EA

7/7 Constie
7/7 CA
4/4 Oberth
14/14 Miranda (1 Blooded available)
8/10 Rennie
1/1 Cheron
2/2 Excelsior
7/8 EA
 
Goat said:
The previous plan was that Zhang gets Enterprise - we've had people grooming her for that position for probably over 10 game years now. Whether one of the four newbies has a bonus good enough to override this, will be up to the voters. Unless someone gets a serious voting lead over Zhang, the main voting competiton will be over who get Ambassador.
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I remember there was some push a bit ago for Leaniss to get the Enterprise when it was realized her current 5YM would end at right around within a quarter or two of the Enterprise launching. So we may get a big of a challenge there.
 
UberJJK said:
I remember there was some push a bit ago for Leaniss to get the Enterprise when it was realized her current 5YM would end at right around within a quarter or two of the Enterprise launching. So we may get a big of a challenge there.
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Has Leaniss personally saved the Federation? If no, the general rule is, no second FYM. ((It's not a hard rule, but it will definitely be a hard push to successfully carry out))
 
Forgothrax said:
Every sector has 2+ ships and the GBZ is up by +8C.

Gabriel Border Zone – Requirement Left to Starfleet judgment. Have ships for scouting, skirmishing, Vanguard, and Heavy Metal Phases of fleet battles. Last note was that more ships are needed for further expansin.

-12 Miranda
-2 Centaur-A
-3 Rennie
-2 EA
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I feel like you're driving to two ships per sector too quickly. Yes we want to get there, but that can come over the course of the year as ships appear out of construction/repair/refit. I'd rather heavily reinforce the GBZ right now with good ships (not all Mirandas) and get to two ships in other sectors later.
 
Goat said:
Has Leaniss personally saved the Federation? If no, the general rule is, no second FYM. ((It's not a hard rule, but it will definitely be a hard push to successfully carry out))
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Honestly I've never been a fan of that rule and I'm even less of a fan now that we've got so many EC ships. I think second 5YMs should be decided by whether or not the captain wishes to continue and we, the players, enjoy that character enough to want another five years with them.
 
Briefvoice said:
I feel like you're driving to two ships per sector too quickly. Yes we want to get there, but that can come over the course of the year as ships appear out of construction/repair/refit. I'd rather heavily reinforce the GBZ right now with good ships (not all Mirandas) and get to two ships in other sectors later.
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Given the absolutely awful penalties we've earned for not going with two ships per sector, I can't really find myself in agreement. I'd rather draft member world ships to stiffen the GBZ and pour all our new construction/repairs into the GBZ fleet over time so that we don't eat any massive response penalties like we did this last turn. Inability to respond to events has caused us to eat 40pp in losses this year, and given how our PP income seems to have dried up that's not insignificant.
 
Yes, and we usually only get a few a year, and we're getting close to having ten five year missions. Given that not all captains are equally desirable, there's a lot of room for an occasional recycling.

Glassware said:
I think Rogers is too publicly tainted in the eyes of the Federation as a whole to be President. They would probably put some prominent Amarki in the position while he plays the role of power broker in the background.

If they did put Rogers in charge I'd hope we would have a vote to resign in protest. That man does not belong in power.
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His big, clearly identifiable mistake was badly mismanaging a single ship design program and trying to keep the wool over everyone's eyes about it with creative manipulation of the facts about it.

I'm not saying that's not bad, but compared to the debacles in the backstory of a lot of Earth politicians who went on to have very positive and constructive contributions... meh.

Goat said:
Has Leaniss personally saved the Federation? If no, the general rule is, no second FYM. ((It's not a hard rule, but it will definitely be a hard push to successfully carry out))
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Enterprise:

"I... I..."

:cry:

"I can't decide."
 
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