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charysa said:
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Prefer the event response reroll over the random non-affiliate diplo-roll. It's a good safety net against disasters like the Tauni one.

Everything else looks like it's got a consensus.
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Okay another question from the new guy. What's was the Tauni disaster?
 
darkjester said:
Okay another question from the new guy. What's was the Tauni disaster?
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A few captain's logs back a Horizon booby trap exploded in an abandoned base on the Tauni homeworld's moon, launching huge chunks of rock towards the planet. None of our ships were able to respond in time, which led to tens of thousands of deaths and gave us a -100 tag to clear.
 
To be slightly more precise, a Tauni covert team went poking an old Harmony base for evidence to present to us about the evils of the Harmony.

They botched a roll, triggering a fail deadly torpedo stockpile. The blast propagated through the base, triggering others, resulting in a sizeable portion of the moon achieving local escape velocity - but then caught in the planet's gravity well, with predictable results.

Our ships in the area were too far away to return in time to assist before impact.

In character, we know the old moon base blew up, but not why.

The ISC (another power in the area) hates the thought of antimatter munitions, so if we knew in character why this occurred, they would use this as evidence as to why they are right.

Our own antimatter munitions (photon torpedoes) only have a small window where fail deadly is even an option, but that is not how Horizon munitions work.
 
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Goat said:
Our own antimatter munitions (photon torpedoes) only have a small window where fail deadly is even an option, but that is not how Horizon munitions work.
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...now that you mention it, I seriously doubt that Horizon torpedos are that shitty. They couldn't have possibly done as well for themselves as they had if their ships randomly exploded that much more than everyone else's. That had to be a deliberate destruct system that the NID just failed to disarm in time.
 
Or it could just be bad luck plus an antimatter storage bottle that had been abandoned in place for far, FAR longer than it was ever designed to go without maintenence.
 
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...now that you mention it, I seriously doubt that Horizon torpedos are that shitty. They couldn't have possibly done as well for themselves as they had if their ships randomly exploded that much more than everyone else's. That had to be a deliberate destruct system that the NID just failed to disarm in time.
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No, the wording is pretty obviously about an accidental depressurization jostling/pulling the torps hard enough to trigger accidental detonation (for however long they've been there, probably decades). It's not a deliberate fail-deadly.
 
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It cannot be avoided that there is an inherent fail-deadly nature to antimatter that is not present for conventional chemical explosives. It never loses its potency like old explosives might.

What may have happened is that the battery systems powering its magnetic field eventually ran low, to the point that though the field could keep the antimatter in place while at rest, it was insufficiently powerful to overcome the acceleration of the torpedo falling and the antimatter eventually reached out and touched something it really ought not have.

Edit: I tend to hold that there are ways to design antimatter systems to fail "less dangerous" or fail "you still don't want to be standing next to it", via magnetic fields or structural designs that might channel antimatter discharges away from things you know and care about. Or having antimatter pods that launch things away Very Very Fast.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
It cannot be avoided that there is an inherent fail-deadly nature to antimatter that is not present for conventional chemical explosives. It never loses its potency like old explosives might.

What may have happened is that the battery systems powering its magnetic field eventually ran low, to the point that though the field could keep the antimatter in place while at rest, it was insufficiently powerful to overcome the acceleration of the torpedo falling and the antimatter eventually reached out and touched something it really ought not have.

Edit: I tend to hold that there are ways to design antimatter systems to fail "less dangerous" or fail "you still don't want to be standing next to it", via magnetic fields or structural designs that might channel antimatter discharges away from things you know and care about. Or having antimatter pods that launch things away Very Very Fast.
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I can think of one, and only one way to make an antimatter storage system that's not fail-deadly.

Namely, you need to find a material to build the storage system out of that shares NO fundamental particles with the anti-matter you're containing. Anti-matter goes boom on contact with the corresponding normal particle, and only then. Electron - positron, up quark - anti up quark, down quark - anti down quark. If there's no pair, there's no boom. Which means you need some form of stable exotic matter you can build containers out of, which is a very large problem.
 
Even if you have a 100% anti-matter safe storage system, you're going to inevitably use that antimatter somewhere else, and that somewhere else is going to be have vulnerable fail deadly bits. For torpedoes, it seems a waste to even use a safe storage system like that, since they're generally intended to go boom...
 
charysa said:
Even if you have a 100% anti-matter safe storage system, you're going to inevitably use that antimatter somewhere else, and that somewhere else is going to be have vulnerable fail deadly bits. For torpedoes, it seems a waste to even use a safe storage system like that, since they're generally intended to go boom...
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It's rather important that they go boom when you want them to.
 
Antimatter isn't safe for it's reactants is basically everything, I think you want something with specific reactants to be safe. Also with a lot of energy storage to be useful as a warhead.

Or at least the ability to deliver a lot of entropy to the target.
 
You would need a lot of WWII level munitions to cause a significant lunar chunk to reach escape velocity.
 
Sadly, that picture is missing all the post-moratorium batch of ratifications. Where are the snek ppl? And the drama queens? And soon to be party boat ppl?
 
Also updated the Berth graphic for 2020.

Ferasa Aux yard is still unnamed. (unless I missed the vote)

I took a guess at the +2mt cost for Gean expansions

+1mt is 18pp (+4 existing berths) = 18pp/mt
+2mt is 32pp (+4.5 existing berths) = 16pp/mt - EST
+3mt is 42pp (+5 existing berths) = 14pp/mt

That discount for UP remains amazing - 66% off, but I do wonder if we are about to be told there is literally no more room for expansions.
 
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    Sadly, that picture is missing all the post-moratorium batch of ratifications. Where are the snek ppl? And the drama queens? And soon to be party boat ppl?
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    Sorry, I've been distracted. I thought I had posted this a while ago.



    Technically the Risans aren't in just yet, but its only a matter of ingame months.
     
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