To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Glad to hear it, thanks. Looking at the options in that light...
So unless something seriously shifts, the vote is between Safeguard (nix) and Fleet Upgrades (tryrar). Comparing the two, both have the following in common:
Refit for Connie (35), Expanded Intelligence (40), Amarkia Outpost (10), the needed Allocation (20), and the Explorer Corps Recruitment drive (20), totalling 125.
Safeguard has the mining colony (8), and two diplo pushes (20), vs Fleet Upgrades with the Renaissance project (20).
What were the discounts applied to the Safeguard option, that saved it a few points?
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As for why diplomatic pushes, we have increased our pp income by 17 and RP by 12 so far and the bonuses from the Rigellans will be added for the coming year. Getting affiliates to 300 and later members is huge for our ability to take actions.
Also we are the federation, we are the diplomatic faction out there so let's play to our strengths.
Also we are the federation, we are the diplomatic faction out there so let's play to our strengths.
[X][Council]Plan Fleet Upgrade
I'd really like the starbase, but that's fine.
And if we had a bunch more pp, I'd love to do more diplomacy. But as it stands, there's a decent buffer for most of our affilliates. And we have too many other needs right now. We're in a much better diplomatic position than we were during the biophage crisis. The Klingons are still friednly with us, and itching for a fight even more than they were last time. We have full access to the Amarki fleet in the event of a full blown conflict. We have Rigellians and Caitians very friendly, and probably willing to lend some ships and resources.
I'd really like the starbase, but that's fine.
And if we had a bunch more pp, I'd love to do more diplomacy. But as it stands, there's a decent buffer for most of our affilliates. And we have too many other needs right now. We're in a much better diplomatic position than we were during the biophage crisis. The Klingons are still friednly with us, and itching for a fight even more than they were last time. We have full access to the Amarki fleet in the event of a full blown conflict. We have Rigellians and Caitians very friendly, and probably willing to lend some ships and resources.
Though I think we may be making unwarranted assumptions about the Seyek. Here is what exactly was said about them:
Look at the bolding. They are a state. They identify themselves as being from a specific planet, not multiple planets. I believe we may be looking, not at an interstellar Federation like our own, but simply at a single planet which has multiple intelligent species inhabiting it.
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Hmm...
I'm actually tempted to switch to Safeguard. I like the Rennie, but postponing one more year to get a mining colony (reducing our resource problems) and pushing diplomacy with two affiliates... toughie.
I'm actually tempted to switch to Safeguard. I like the Rennie, but postponing one more year to get a mining colony (reducing our resource problems) and pushing diplomacy with two affiliates... toughie.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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Join us. The Rennie cannot be denied!
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Design/refit schedule:
2306 Centaur refit
2307 Constitution refit
2308 Renaissance
2309 Constellation refit
2310 Ambassador (possibly earlier if the general techs suffice and we can spare the pp)
2311 Escort design (possibly earlier ...)
2312 medium cruiser design
2313 Excelsior/Oberth refit?
2306 Centaur refit
2307 Constitution refit
2308 Renaissance
2309 Constellation refit
2310 Ambassador (possibly earlier if the general techs suffice and we can spare the pp)
2311 Escort design (possibly earlier ...)
2312 medium cruiser design
2313 Excelsior/Oberth refit?
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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I can come up with a 3mt Ambassador using level 3 techs, at 98.35% reliability.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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[X] nix
I'd prefer starting the Rennaissance now over the Constitution, but I'd rather just have the Constitution than start both at once. And more diplo pushes is our best security, since it means more allied fleets in case of full out war. If a war started over the Apiata or Indorians, we can probably expect a near doubling of our fleet strength from member and affiliate fleets. The more of those we have, the less likely the Cardassians are to start something.
I'd prefer starting the Rennaissance now over the Constitution, but I'd rather just have the Constitution than start both at once. And more diplo pushes is our best security, since it means more allied fleets in case of full out war. If a war started over the Apiata or Indorians, we can probably expect a near doubling of our fleet strength from member and affiliate fleets. The more of those we have, the less likely the Cardassians are to start something.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Yeah, it's insane how much this quest blew up - more than a 100 pages of discussion since 2306 started.
Well getting the Constitution-B right now is very convenient in our schedule, because once the Centaur-B's finish in two years, we can
edit: not "almost", it's guaranteed since the Centaur-Bs start in Q4, while the refit "research" starts in Q2.
@OneirosTheWriter, can you add this to the gameplay mechanics post? I can't even find a post that mentions this.
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Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[X][Council]Plan Fleet Upgrade
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tryrar, do you think the mining colony could fit into your plan, as is, due to the discount Safeguard is applying? If so, I'll switch to your plan.
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- Panama City
You're assuming people will vote for your idea on refits/projects and not for a plan that puts off the Rennie for some other "Important" thing. You know what they say about assuming...
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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We need to get that sweet, sweet SR flowing as soon as possible.
And what's having the Rennie a year earlier compared to having more friends?
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What discount? By my count it's actually invalid
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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You're assuming that we'll keep pushing the Rennie further if we don't pick it this year. You know what they say about assuming....
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Are the people voting for the rennie this year going to vote against it next year out of spite? If not we can be pretty confident it will win next year unless war breaks out or something crazy happens.
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I'm not sure where the '*.9' came from, but between it and a spare floating point, nix squeezes in the needed amount.
That mining colony may very well mean we don't have to use pp for "An Excelsior's worth of resources" to keep a heavy build schedule. It's important.
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Uh... I voted for tryrar, who I think does NOT deny the Rennie. But I'm tempted by the mining and diplomacy because it acts to strengthen our strategic position in the coming decade, and it's not like mineral reserves aren't a problem for us.
I forgot about them. That does make it a tougher choice.