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Briefvoice said:
What were the stats for the Riala? I vaguely recall it having a lower Science than I like, but I don't know where its stats are posted to easily check.
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It trades in one point of Science for one Hull and two Shield points. That's stilll science four. It can't actually replace the Excelsior as an explorer corps ship, but it's an excellent, excellent ship for border regions.
OneirosTheWriter said:
As an aside, I may in fact award a Militarisation Point for the next time someone advocates a war crime in this thread :V
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Decapitation strikes are not war crimes. Blowing up governmental/administrative infrastructure in a time of war is not a war crime.
Briefvoice said:
If you're really "not kidding" then I'm going to say that bombing a city is a morally disgusting action. Because your opponent does something awful doesn't mean it's okay to be awful in return, and killing millions of civilians is far worse than bombing a diplomatic summit.
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Torpedoes are dial-a-yield.

Setting one to a .1 KT yield so it just totals the central governmental complex is a thing that can absolutely be done.
 
Briefvoice said:
If you're really "not kidding" then I'm going to say that bombing a city is a morally disgusting action. Because your opponent does something awful doesn't mean it's okay to be awful in return, and killing millions of civilians is far worse than bombing a diplomatic summit.
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This. The Cardassians are going much further than the Klingons ever did, but this is the fault of their totalitarian government, not their people. Save the photogenic orbital bombardments for military targets.
 
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Leila Hann said:
This. The Cardassians are going much further than the Klingons ever did, but this is the fault of their totalitarian government, not their people. Save the photogenic orbital bombardments for military targets.
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Now I'm wondering what a photogenic orbital bombardment looks like. Might have to get Nash and T'lorel together to research it.
 
pheonix89 said:
It trades in one point of Science for one Hull and two Shield points. That's stilll science four. It can't actually replace the Excelsior as an explorer corps ship, but it's an excellent, excellent ship for border regions.

Decapitation strikes are not war crimes. Blowing up governmental/administrative infrastructure in a time of war is not a war crime.

Torpedoes are dial-a-yield.

Setting one to a .1 KT yield so it just totals the central governmental complex is a thing that can absolutely be done.
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That isn't the most obvious meaning of "drop a photorp on their capital." Regardless of how you intended it.

Partly because phasers are the obvious choice for that kind of precision strike.
 
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Ah, photorp orbital bombardment. Aka one of the most puzzling things in Trek, at least to me. Many times we've seen ships of various factions, sizes, capabilities, and time periods use photorps on a ground target when they have absolutely no reason to dial the yield down to say, below a tactical nuke... and yet the depiction on ground-side is rarely so damaging as a World War-era artillery strike? With antimatter weaponry? What even is the point?
 
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So, while escorts are cheap, our doctrinal choices fit better with a cruiser:



I actually nicknamed this the XMC - Now. It's basically a discount Excelsior with better shields and presence. Bit pricey tho. Call it a year to R&D, 6 years to make a prototype. So 7 years to mass production. Am I estimating R&D right?

The bare bones escort on the other hand (the 'tactical Miranda') is no new techs, so single project for designing the ship. Call it one year to R&D, 4 to prototype. That's 5 years. Buttttttt..... it's a lot less capable, which means that while it's useful for beefing up defense values, it's not that useful for responding to events.

So I guess the question is: Can we stall the Cardies for 8-10 years?
 
aeqnai said:
Ah, photorp orbital bombardment. Aka one of the most puzzling things in Trek, at least to me. Many times we've seen ships of various factions, sizes, capabilities, and time periods use photorps on a ground target when they have absolutely no reason to dial the yield down to say, below a tactical nuke... and yet the depiction on ground-side is rarely so damaging as a World War-era military strike? With antimatter weaponry? What even is the point?
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It's drone strikes, from orbit, with a hypnotic positive diplomatic modifier.

Nuke those Cardies with Befriending. today! *

*Message approved by our best diplomatic Vulcan captain to date...
 
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UbeOne said:
How about these, @Crazy Tom?
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I'll admit I don't quite understand how the Research system works, would the Sentinel end up looking like this:

Sentinel Cruiser
Overall Project (0/15)
Sentinel Armor Layout Improvement (0/20)
Warp Core Design Fine Tuning (0/20)
Warp Core Design Fine Tuning II (0/40)
Shield Efficient Power Design (0/20)
Structural Integrity Field Efficiency (0/20)
Structural Integrity Field Efficiency II (0/40)
etc.

@OneirosTheWriter?
 
Crazy Tom said:
So I guess the question is: Can we stall the Cardies for 8-10 years?
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That is the question. And what will stalling actually cost? Are the Cardassians going to play games on Fed affiliate worlds? Find some militant malcontents, arm them and stir up a civil war? Do some privateering in the space lanes to stretch Fed resources?

Just letting this situation escalate is not really a great option. A proportionate retaliation is going to settle things into a cold war. I meant what I said before about finding some other option.

Is it possible to get the Cardassians to the negotiating table? Hash out a treaty and a DMZ? The Feds could ask the Romulans and Klingons to officiate the meeting, really demonstrate to the Cardies that they are the junior power in the quadrant. That could blow up if the Romulan or Klingon delegates decide to do something off script. Which they probably will.
 
Conu said:
That is the question. And what will stalling actually cost? Are the Cardassians going to play games on Fed affiliate worlds? Find some militant malcontents, arm them and stir up a civil war? Do some privateering in the space lanes to stretch Fed resources?
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They'll do all that and more, most likely. But frankly...we can handle all that pretty well. Having our explorers around is helping us do an excellent job of thwarting Cardassian plots and as our counterintelligence improves we'll only get better at it. Yes, we'll take some losses, but the Cardassians have entered this game far too late to really stall the Federation's momentum.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Having ships that can respond competently to events. True story, you've missed out on at least three sector events because the responder failed the science test.
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Which makes me think that building the Sagan class (an updated science ship) should be our next job.

Nix said:
Doesn't this mean that you must prevent the integration of the client species at all costs? As for the risks, they were already going to join the enemy anyway, so failing and being discovered would hardly make matters worse.
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Thankyou! I couldn't figure out how to put this gut feeling in words.

However you cut it, the Federation is clearly an expansionist power trying to expand into the space in between the UFP and Cardassia very quickly. That's going to be scary when looked at from the Cardassian PoV (I'm tempted to make a Cardassian fleet quest now - see how players dealt with the same problem from the other side).

fasquardon
 
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Crazy Tom said:
I'll admit I don't quite understand how the Research system works, would the Sentinel end up looking like this:

Sentinel Cruiser
Overall Project (0/15)
Sentinel Armor Layout Improvement (0/20)
Warp Core Design Fine Tuning (0/20)
Warp Core Design Fine Tuning II (0/40)
Shield Efficient Power Design (0/20)
Structural Integrity Field Efficiency (0/20)
Structural Integrity Field Efficiency II (0/40)
etc.

@OneirosTheWriter?
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There's a quest mechanics post on the Front Page that answers all these questions.

To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) This is the one explaining how ship design research projects will look.
 
Conu said:
That is the question. And what will stalling actually cost? Are the Cardassians going to play games on Fed affiliate worlds? Find some militant malcontents, arm them and stir up a civil war? Do some privateering in the space lanes to stretch Fed resources?

Just letting this situation escalate is not really a great option. A proportionate retaliation is going to settle things into a cold war. I meant what I said before about finding some other option.

Is it possible to get the Cardassians to the negotiating table? Hash out a treaty and a DMZ? The Feds could ask the Romulans and Klingons to officiate the meeting, really demonstrate to the Cardies that they are the junior power in the quadrant. That could blow up if the Romulan or Klingon delegates decide to do something off script. Which they probably will.
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Thing is, we've got 5 Excelsior in the works. They'll all be done within 4 years.

At that point we can assign most of them to the CBZ.

I would also advocate more proactive ROE:
  1. Do not fire unless fired upon.
  2. Keep shields up at all times within the CBZ.
  3. Captains are authorized to perform high energy scans of Cardassian vessels behaving in a belligerent manner.
  4. If engaging Cardassian vessels in combat, retreat if shields are breached.
 
Okay, I'm going to draw a line about future ships. From now on, we building nothing under Science 3 and we retire/refit any ship under Science 3 as soon as possible. (Looking at you, Mirandas and non-refit Constellations.) Anything below that is too likely to completely miss sector events.

By the way, unrelated question @OneirosTheWriter . Where are all the godlike energy beings? The Enterprise meets god was like one of the big Star Trek plots. Have we just been consistently missing them in our rolls?
 
Briefvoice said:
Okay, I'm going to draw a line about future ships. From now on, we building nothing under Science 3 and we retire/refit any ship under Science 3 as soon as possible. (Looking at you, Mirandas and non-refit Constellations.) Anything below that is too likely to completely miss sector events.

By the way, unrelated question @OneirosTheWriter . Where are all the godlike energy beings? The Enterprise meets god was like one of the big Star Trek plots. Have we just been consistently missing them in our rolls?
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@OneirosTheWriter is that how it works? Would it be better to have every ship with science 3, or to have at least one science 6 ship in the each sector?
 
UbeOne said:
How about these, @Crazy Tom?
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A bit more expensive that yours, but a full 5 techs less complicated.

Note that if you make the saucer/secondary big enough to hold all your systems, you only need one saucer/secondary weight savings project, which saves on R&D.

edit: Also please note that if you're ever using Power Grid Efficiency, set it to 2 - it gives the best bang for your buck at that scale.
 
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