To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Let's make sure this isn't an Orion plot first.
If it is, crush the Syndicate like the bug it is and let the affiliate Orion faction take the spoils. If it isn't, we call up our Klingon friends and invite them out on a neighborly snek hunt.
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That depends wildly on what forces they can bring to bear and how much support we get from the member fleets.
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If we do get into one we can likely war build ships. (In war ship construction tends to focus on the completion of major navel components, safety and getting them out quick rather than creature comforts and other equipment, they'll likely fall apart in a few years but again if you need ship that much longer you have bigger problems) Galaxies in Cannon could be fully combat capable at least two years before actually complete due to the fact that the science and ludicrous creature comforts are added out of drydock.
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During a crisis we can build ships twice as fast as normal by using a heavy industry team. That still means at least a year though.
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Really don't want to start shooting, we need a bigger incident that can't be denied as easy as this. Also try to get some more members. If we can hold for a few more years we can have a large number of ships joining and also the excelsior will really start rolling off the docks.
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True but the Cardies are likely counting on us to act like canon federation and be gun shy (sadly their up against SB) so they likely don't have the ship to actually fight us either. So strategically the first year or two of a war is likely to be rather cold (bar insane stunts), and I'm willing to be we have more shipbuilding capacity than they do.
Though this event isn't over yet and I wouldn't count Blue Kirk out yet, still don't expect things to be calm when all is said and done. "You Cardi bastards! may have pulled a few over on the federation but you've yet to pull on over on Blue Kirk!" (also is it wrong that I want one of her in universe nicknames to be "The Blue Kirk" it's not racist cause everyone in Starfleet wants to be compared to him)
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This, so much this. Just getting the analysis techs will put us in a much better situation
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
While this was without question an act of war by the Cardassian Union (assuming the Cardassian Union is in fact responsible, which we shouldn't simply assume), it is not currently in our interest to go to war with them.
So let's not. If some form of retaliation should be necessary, IMHO the correct option would be to reply in kind to what they've already done and sabotage Cardassian relations with local powers. It's a pity we didn't put Sulu in command of Intelligence, his HUMINT bonus would have been great here.
Also, I really, really hope the Enterprise was able to beam those amabassadors out of that shuttle in time.
So let's not. If some form of retaliation should be necessary, IMHO the correct option would be to reply in kind to what they've already done and sabotage Cardassian relations with local powers. It's a pity we didn't put Sulu in command of Intelligence, his HUMINT bonus would have been great here.
Also, I really, really hope the Enterprise was able to beam those amabassadors out of that shuttle in time.
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From the Cardassian perspective their behavior makes a lot of sense.
You have an opponent who already has the resources to build an unreasonable number of these huge and wasteful but also powerful ships, seemingly enough to even use them in roles normally reserved for cruisers (if they have identified everything in the CBZ and Amarki sectors half of the ships they encountered were Excelsiors). They are clearly antagonistic towards you but don't seem to want to start a war yet even though everything seems to indicate they would win. Instead they seem happy enough to play for time.
They also somehow made half the species in the space between your core territories their client species already, including three of the four middle powers, the last only stopped from being acquired by the heroic actions of your operatives. Of the three middle power clients they acquired one they only encountered this year, one is well on the way to being integrated, and the last one is about to be integrated completely, despite the species in question only having come into contact with them about 5 years ago. And intelligence reports suggest that they have another middle power client species you haven't discovered yet also on the way to being integrated, in addition to several smaller species. Four middle powers joined together in an alliance already represent a credible threat, adding them to a power with such absurd resources would render them undefeatable even assuming greater wastefulness and decadence than already on display. So no wonder they prefer to play for time.
Doesn't this mean that you must prevent the integration of the client species at all costs? As for the risks, they were already going to join the enemy anyway, so failing and being discovered would hardly make matters worse.
You have an opponent who already has the resources to build an unreasonable number of these huge and wasteful but also powerful ships, seemingly enough to even use them in roles normally reserved for cruisers (if they have identified everything in the CBZ and Amarki sectors half of the ships they encountered were Excelsiors). They are clearly antagonistic towards you but don't seem to want to start a war yet even though everything seems to indicate they would win. Instead they seem happy enough to play for time.
They also somehow made half the species in the space between your core territories their client species already, including three of the four middle powers, the last only stopped from being acquired by the heroic actions of your operatives. Of the three middle power clients they acquired one they only encountered this year, one is well on the way to being integrated, and the last one is about to be integrated completely, despite the species in question only having come into contact with them about 5 years ago. And intelligence reports suggest that they have another middle power client species you haven't discovered yet also on the way to being integrated, in addition to several smaller species. Four middle powers joined together in an alliance already represent a credible threat, adding them to a power with such absurd resources would render them undefeatable even assuming greater wastefulness and decadence than already on display. So no wonder they prefer to play for time.
Doesn't this mean that you must prevent the integration of the client species at all costs? As for the risks, they were already going to join the enemy anyway, so failing and being discovered would hardly make matters worse.
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We should switch the foreign analysis from Romulans to Cardassians at the next opportunity. The bonus to counter-intel would help against their various attempts to undermine our relations with the other races nearby, and the various combat-bonuses would help in the case of an actual war.
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We already planned to do that anyway, we only stuck with the romulans so far to finish counter-intel for them which we have done this year.
Driven by Apathy
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I'm not sure I can agree. Or if the Cardassians are even behind this.
Think of it this way: How likely is this attack to actually stop the Amarkian entry into the Federation? In my view, not very. Even if the perpetrators were never discovered, why would this sabotage Federation-Amarkia relations? It's a blatant attack on both! Exactly the sort of thing that makes people close ranks against a mutual enemy instead of tearing them apart!
In fact that might very well have been the intention. That freighter was an Orion one, wasn't it? What happens if the Amarkians think the Orions just blew up their amabassadors?
Alternatively, the Cardassians are not actually behind this, the Cardassian lifesign was always meant to be discovered, and someone wants war between the Federation (Amarkia included) and Cardassia.
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The Orion Union is our affiliate. The Orion Syndicate is a very powerful criminal organization that is at odds with the Union (we get + diplomacy with the Union for handing over Syndicate operatives) and already fought with the Amarki before.
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Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
Fair enough, the Amarkians can probably distinguish between the Union and the Syndicate. Even so, I wouldn't have been surprised if the intention had been to put a dampener on Federation-Orion relations.
Alternatively, maybe we're just overestimating the Cardassians and they're really this stupid. Or perhaps stupid isn't the right word... predisposed to assume our society works more or less like theirs might be a better way to describe it.
UbeOne
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Looking at the side stories, they already view Federation society in a similar vein as theirs, but considers the Federation as less efficient yet more resource-abundant than them.
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The only problem with your analysis is the "clearly antagonistic toward you" part. We haven't initiated a single aggressive action toward the Cardassians, aside from one of our captains and one of theirs squabbling over who gets to scan an uninhabited planet.
That's why I'm starting to suspect a third party. This behavior would make sense in the TNG/DS9 era when the Cardassians and Federation have already been at war at least once, but it doesn't make sense here.
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That, actually fighting and disabling one of their ships, stealing the deal with the Indorians from them, claiming a huge swath of space they wanted to have and collecting all of their potential client species.
Winged One
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You know what's funny? I originally thought sending the Enterprise was a bit of a waste for this mission. My word, has my opinion of that changed.
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They shot first.
Only happened because of their own botched black flag attempt.
See above.
They've been acting as if we were already enemies, in a way that goes far beyond saber rattling for the sake of their proletariat. There's something else going on here.
Honestly, this is starting to remind me of the buildup to the Biophage War. We thought the Romulans were just starting shit with us for no good reason, but it turned out they were reacting to something much worse.
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Winged One
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...what the fuck has Section 31 been doing?