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I am pleased to report the beginning of actually being able to predict logistics demands going forward!
To Boldly Go - Logistics Projections
I haven't been able to nail down where all of our income and industry as used in the calculations is coming from and how it should be broken up, but the remaining math is solid and even the initial pass of picking how many cargo ships and how many freighters is automated.

Mostly, it looks like demands for cargo ships are going to go up faster than the demand for freighters even without superfreighters being a factor. Thank goodness they are small and build fast.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
♫ A Nation once again.
A Nation once again.
And Fiiral long a province, be
A Nation once again. ♫

No, the Seyek-Fiiral problems aren't solved. This isn't the kind of problem that can be solved with speeches from starship captains or even with Council seats. The question of how much representation the Fiiral have in their own government is still at large. Gaining their own Council seat may only serve to embolden the separatists, especially if they can point to ways their Councillor splits from the other Union Councillors. And if the Fiiral secessionist movement peacefully gathers a good majority support, I do feel that as a population in the billions, with at least one major world, and with their own unique lineage and culture, we are obliged to help and support them. That will pit us against the Seyek hardliners who still see the Fiiral as a conquest, and it will mean big changes to the Seyek Union if it goes through.

The trouble isn't avoided because of the Council seat. The separate representation on the Council only brings up issues of their right to govern themselves in domestic affairs, their lack of their own military / right to form a separate military, whether the Seyek have authority to intervene in Fiiral affairs, the role of the Fiiral monarch, and so on. Let's not mistake the problem for solved and rather understand that the Council seat is throwing the Fiiral a bone and kicking the issue down the road a few years.
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There's been talks of the Fiiral joining as a separate member species with their own government already I believe. I don't know what the current thinking is, but a Council Seat for Fiiral isn't the only way this could be playing out.
 
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I am pleased to report the beginning of actually being able to predict logistics demands going forward!
To Boldly Go - Logistics Projections
I haven't been able to nail down where all of our income and industry as used in the calculations is coming from and how it should be broken up, but the remaining math is solid and even the initial pass of picking how many cargo ships and how many freighters is automated.

Mostly, it looks like demands for cargo ships are going to go up faster than the demand for freighters even without superfreighters being a factor. Thank goodness they are small and build fast.
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I'll take a closer look at this later, but a quick comment: the feeder loop's sm requirement is based off SR plus RP.

see Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2179

edit: and to avoid confusion (or perhaps the opposite :p), RP is NOT a contributor to the industrial loop
 
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I keep picking at next year's Fleet deployments, and here is my problem.

I dislike leaving Tellar Sector and Andor sector with only one ship, but the only ships I can justify sending there are Miranda-As. Which is find, I guess, as long as we understand they are secondary responders for low activity sectors?

Also, where do people want the Kumari posted once it's done with refit? As a blooded Excelsior-A it's one of our most powerful non-EC ships. What is the most critical place to put it?
 
This also may have knock on effects for our other affiliates with sub-affiliates, the Honiani so far, but more could be looking for opportunities.
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I'll take a closer look at this later, but a quick comment: the feeder loop's sm requirement is based off SR plus RP.

see Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2179

edit: and to avoid confusion (or perhaps the opposite :p), RP is NOT a contributor to the industrial loop
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Ah. Right! I'd even read your analysis, before it fell out of my brain. Working that in now, and we'll see what it looks like once the dust settles.
 
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Also, where do people want the Kumari posted once it's done with refit? As a blooded Excelsior-A it's one of our most powerful non-EC ships. What is the most critical place to put it?
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SBZ, in place of the Cheron. The SBZ events have been crucial in the past few years and we've been lucky to have one of our aces there. LBZ is another candidate and where I'd send the Cheron although I'd need a look at your deployment to say for sure. Pull the green Excelsiors to internal sectors for now. I'd even consider doubling up on Ferasa or Rigel, both sectors could use two Excelsiors.
 
Proposed 2318 Fleet Distribution

Okay, check this out. Note that Mutual Support opens up after 2318.Q3, and I have noted which sectors are supported by which border zones.

Fleet Strength Changes
2318.Q1 – Dryad completes refit as Miranda-A
2318.Q1 – Calypso completes refit as Miranda-A
2318.Q1 – Excelsior [Excelsior] completes refit for Excelsior-A pattern
2318.Q1 – Odyssey [Excelsior] (Explorer Corps) goes into refit for Excelsior-A pattern
2318.Q2 – Spirit [Excelsior, UP Berth A] completes
2318.Q2 – Opportunity [Excelsior, UP Berth C] completes – Explorer Corps
2318.Q2 – Renaissance [LOCF Berth 1] completes
2318.Q3 – Kearsage completes refit as Constellation-A
2318.Q3 – Vigour completes refit as Constellation-A
2318.Q3 – Docana [Constellation] goes into refit
2318.Q3 – Selaya [Constellation] goes into refit
2318.Q3 – MUTUAL SUPPORT Technology complete – (Border zones can roll at -2 to respond to neighboring home sectors)
2318.Q4 – 2 year Caldonian Peacekeeping Operation (D8) ends. Hood and Stalwart reassigned.
2318.Q4 – Kumari [Excelsior] completes refit for Excelsior-A pattern

Blooded Ships: Challorn, Docana, Zephyr, Bull, Yukikaze, Gale, Thirishar, Kumari
Veteran Ships: Cheron, T'Mir

2317.Q4 = "Current".

Sol Sector – Requires D18 (Supported by LBZ and SBZ)
  • Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], 2 Starbase I (10) [Earth, Betazed] = 19D
  • 2318.Q4 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 1 Constitution-B [Hood], 2 Starbase I (10) [Earth, Betazed] = 21D
  • Notes: In 2318.Q4 the Hood arrives from the Caldonian peacekeeping mission, and the Lightning goes to the GBZ.
Vulcan Sector – Requires D10 (supported by RBZ)
  • Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Lion], Starbase I (5) = 10D
  • 2318.Q3 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Kearsage], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Lion], Starbase I (5) = 11D
  • Notes: In 2318.Q3, Docana goes into refit and is replaced by Kearsage coming out of refit.
Andor Sector – Requires D7 (supported by RBZ and KBZ)
  • Current – 1 Constitution-B [Huascar], Starbase I (5) = 10D
  • 2318.Q1 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Huascar], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Dryad], Starbase I (5) = 12D
  • Notes: Dryad arrives from refit in 2318.Q1.
Tellar Sector – Requires D7 (supported by SBZ)
  • Current – 1 Constellation-A (4) [Challorn], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 14D.
  • 2318.Q1 – 1 Constellation-A (4) [Challorn], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Svai], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D.
  • Notes: In 2318.Q1, Svai arrives from Amarkia.
Amarkia Sector – Requires D7 (supported by SBZ)
  • Current - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Sappho], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Svai], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 17D
  • 2318.Q1 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Sappho], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 17D
  • 2318.Q2 – 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Spirit], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 19D
  • Notes: In Q1. Winterwind arrives from RBZ, Svai goes to Tellar Sector. In Q2 Spirit arrives and Sappho goes to Ferasa.
Ferasa Sector – Requires D10 (supported by KBZ and CBZ)
  • Current – 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Endurance], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Defiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 19D
  • 2318.Q2 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Endurance], 1 Constellation-A (4) [Sappho], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Defiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 23D
  • Notes: In Q2, Sappho arrives from Amarkia.
Rigel Sector – Requires D7 (supported by LBZ and SBZ)
  • Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Korolev], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya], Starbase I (5) = 19D
  • 2318.Q3 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Korolev], 1 Constellation-A (4) [Vigour], Starbase I (5) = 20D
  • Notes: In 2318.Q3 Selaya goes into refit and is replaced by Vigour coming out of refit.
Apinae Sector – Requires D10 (supported by CBZ and SBZ)
  • Current - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Yukikaze], 2 Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae, Indorian Starbase], Extra Outposts [5] = 23D
  • 2318.Q1 – No change.
  • Notes: No change.
Romulan Border Zone – Requires D15
  • Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pleezirra], 2 Centaur-A (6) [Cloudburst, Winterwind], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (5) = 18D
  • 2318.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pleezirra], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Cloudburst], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Calypso], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (5) = 17D
  • Notes: In 2318.Q1, Winterwind goes to Amarkia Sector and Calypso arrives from refit.
Klingon Border Zone – Requires D10
  • Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Dynamo], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking], 1 Starbase I (5) = 17D
  • 2318.Q1 – No change.
  • Notes: No change.
Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D12
  • Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Renaissance (5) [Reason], 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], 1 Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 17D
  • 2318.Q2 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Renaissance (5) [Reason], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], 1 Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 20D
  • 2318.Q2 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Renaissance (5) [Reason], 2 Centaur-A (6) [Gale, Zephyr], 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], 1 Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 23D
  • Notes: In 2318.Q2, Gale arrives from Sydraxian Border Zone. Note Gale and Zephyr are both Blooded Centaur-As.
Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D11
  • Current – 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 2 Centaur-A (6) [Gale, Zephyr], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 16D
  • 2318.Q2 – 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 1 Renaissance (5) [LOCF Berth 1], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 18D
  • 2318.Q4 – 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Kumari], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 1 Renaissance (5) [LOCF Berth 1], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 21D
  • Notes: In Q2. new Renaissance arrives, and Gale goes to Cardassian Border Zone. In Q4, Kumari arrives from refit and the Zephyr goes to the CBZ.
Gabriel Border Zone – Requirement Left to Starfleet judgment
  • Current - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 3 Constitution-B (15) [Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, Epiphany, Enlightenment, Insight], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, Eclipse, Firefly] = 75 C.
  • 2318.Q1 - 2 Excelsior-A (12) [Sojourner, Excelsior], 3 Constitution-B (15) [Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, Epiphany, Enlightenment, Insight], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, Eclipse, Firefly] = 82 C.
  • 2318.Q4 - 2 Excelsior-A (12) [Sojourner, Excelsior], 3 Constitution-B (20) [Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, Epiphany, Enlightenment, Insight], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, Eclipse, Firefly] = 85 C.
  • Notes: Excelsior added to GBZ forces in 2318.Q1. In 2318.Q4 the Lightning arrives from Sol Sector.
Licori Border Zone – Requires D11
  • Current- 1 Excelsior (6) [Rru'adorr], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Lexington], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel] = 12D
  • 2318.Q4 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Rru'adorr], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Lexington], 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel] = 15D
  • Notes: Stalwart arrives in 2318.Q4.
Caldonian Peacekeeping Mission – Requires D8 from 2316.Q4 through 2318.Q3
  • Current – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart] = D8
  • 2318.Q4 – Mission over.
  • Notes: Hood goes to Sol and Stalwart goes to LBZ.
 
@Briefvoice I would take out the Pathfinder from Sol and either swap it with a Centaur-A from the RBZ or the Renaissance from the SBZ. Actually I think that we can do that to a lot of with a lot of the Excelsior's, swap them with ships currently assigned to border zones that border their current sector. That way they can respond to events (+2 Lone Ranger) with our best ships doing so. Otherwise it seems there are some sectors that are quiet each quarter so this way they have less of chance to sit around idle. Also I figure we want one Excelsior to go into refit once Kumari finishes.
 
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@Briefvoice I would take out the Pathfinder from Sol and either swap it with a Centaur-A from the RBZ or the Renaissance from the SBZ. Actually I think that we can do that to a lot of with a lot of the Excelsior's, swap them with ships currently assigned to border zones that border their current sector. That way they can respond to events (+2 Lone Ranger) with our best ships doing so. Otherwise it seems there are some sectors that are quiet each quarter so this way they have less of chance to sit around idle. Also I figure we want one Excelsior to go into refit once Kumari finishes.
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Sol Sector is pretty important. It holds Earth, Gaen, and Betazed, and it generally gets at least one event every quarter. I'd be reluctant not to leave it with an Excelsior sector flagship even with Mutual Support.

As for going into refit, in 2319.Q1 two EC ships (the S'Harien and the Atuin) will finish their 5YM. I was thinking we could send both into refit.
 
Briefvoice said:
Sol Sector is pretty important. It holds Earth, Gaen, and Betazed, and it generally gets at least one event every quarter. I'd be reluctant not to leave it with an Excelsior sector flagship even with Mutual Support.

As for going into refit, in 2319.Q1 two EC ships (the S'Harien and the Atuin) will finish their 5YM. I was thinking we could send both into refit.
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We should have the berths to refit the EC ships along with getting 1 or 2 regular Excelsiors into refit. And if not Sol, there are other sectors that have Excelsiors that can swap them to the border for the Renaissance or Centaur-A there.
 
Void Stalker said:
We should have the berths to refit the EC ships along with getting 1 or 2 regular Excelsiors into refit. And if not Sol, there are other sectors that have Excelsiors that can swap them to the border for the Renaissance or Centaur-A there.
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Well I put the Spirit (our new Excelsior-A) into Amarkia sector because I figured with the Orion assession it'll get a lot of events... I suppose we could move that to the CBZ pretty easily....
 
lbmaian said:
So when the Orions become a Federation member, what is this going to do to the sector lines?

The sector borders that govern Starfleet deployments already just barely fit along presumed "member borders", but the Orion Union being split in half between Amarkia and Ferasa sectors completely shoots down that notion.
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It'll be either an Alukk Sector will sit between Amarkia and Ferasa sectors, or else the border shifts down and allows Amarkia Sector to include all of Orion space. Happy to take on suggestions from the thread.
 
lbmaian said:
I'll take a closer look at this later, but a quick comment: the feeder loop's sm requirement is based off SR plus RP.
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Alright, I've changed that up and punched in some assumptions for future conditions, plus the Ked Paddah snakepit info.
Also fixed some parts where my math was wrong. I think I got everything, but like that really means anything.
I am now prepared for the thread to tear it apart and find my mistakes.
To Boldly Go - Logistics Projections
 
So, deployment plans will have to be tweaked either way. A new sector, or Amarkia Sector will need more ships
 
Hmmm, I think making them part of Amarkia would be the better choice. A bit less work in recordkeeping since it would just be an increase to that sector's Defense requirement instead of a completely separate one. Might need a little less Defense compare to them being a separate sector too.
 
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